[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

1D-(2C)-DBL-(RDBL)
???

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I don't know Souths exact hand, but he had a good 7 card ♦, a 4 card ♠, 2 ♣'s and 13 HCP.
What do you bid with Souths hand after the given bidding?
(You play 5-cards M and 4 card ♦ and the DBL is negative. Opps have no agreement about REDBL).

[ASkolnick]

3♦, non-forcing, I have a good hand with diamonds.

[helene_t]

I suppose the strong pass-and-pull applies here? Or would pass be a suggestion to defend 2♣? Anyway, agree with 3♦.

[P_Marlowe]

3D, I agree.

Dont fool around, tell partner that you have
a good hand with lots of diamonds.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kgr]

I also like 3♦, but aren't you afraid that you have never find a ♠ fit anymore if you have one.
What about 3♠ iso 3♦?
(How do you rate 3♦, 2♠, 3♠?)

[P_Marlowe]

kgr, on Nov 11 2008, 05:03 AM, said:

I also like 3♦, but aren't you afraid that you have never find a ♠ fit anymore if you have one.
What about 3♠ iso 3♦?
(How do you rate 3♦, 2♠, 3♠?)

The risk exists, but the risk is only relevant, if
we miss game.

The problem with 2S is, that it is an underbid,
it basically says you have a min opener, and
most likely you are bal., partner will assume
you have a 4432 shape.

3S is certainly not an underbid, but risks playing
a stupid partial with no fit.
The neg. X does not gurantee 4 spades.
It may well be, that partner has a weak two in
hearts, and was forced to make a neg. X, because
he was not able to bid 2H.

So I prefer 3D, followed by 3S, and a distant third
is 2S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kgr]

P_Marlowe, on Nov 11 2008, 12:21 PM, said:

3S is certainly not an underbid, but risks playing
a stupid partial with no fit.
The neg. X does not gurantee 4 spades.
It may well be, that partner has a weak two in
hearts, and was forced to make a neg. X, because
he was not able to bid 2H.

Thanks Marlowe.
What bdding will lead to a partial? 3S is forcing and partner will not support with 3 card?
1D-(2C)-DBL-(pass)
3S-(Pas)-?
BTW: partner will support S with 4S or 4C?

[P_Marlowe]

kgr, on Nov 11 2008, 05:29 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Nov 11 2008, 12:21 PM, said:

3S is certainly not an underbid, but risks playing
a stupid partial with no fit.
The neg. X does not gurantee 4 spades.
It may well be, that partner has a weak two in
hearts, and was forced to make a neg. X, because
he was not able to bid 2H.

Thanks Marlowe.
What bdding will lead to a partial? 3S is forcing and partner will not support with 3 card?
1D-(2C)-DBL-(pass)
3S-(Pas)-?
BTW: partner will support S with 4S or 4C?

3S is certainly nonforcing.

4C would be a slam try, agreeing spades.

4C and 4S should both generate forcing pass,
in the exotic case, that they come out of the
hiding and bid 5?.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

3C+3S. and see what happens

[effervesce]

Wouldn't have had this problem. 7-4 hands I open game-in this case, 5♦.

[benlessard]

4S here. Partner didnt promise both majors so 4S imply D good enough to play at the 5 level.

However Its setup FP, and depending on your opening style partner may think you have 6D and 5S and decide to pass 4S with a 3 carder.

With 5-6 and without strong D i prefer to open 1M but im in the minority here.

[kgr]

My partner did bid 2♠ and the bidding conitnued:
1♦-(2♣)-DBL-(REDBL)
2♠-(3♣)-Pass-(Pass)
4♦-All pass
- -
4♦ made +3. I had 3=4=4=2 with 8 HCP.  
(Probably partners ♠'s were better and his ♦'s less solid. Don't see how he could make 7 otherwise).

[bid_em_up]

kgr, on Nov 12 2008, 05:39 AM, said:

My partner did bid 2♠ and the bidding conitnued:
1♦-(2♣)-DBL-(REDBL)
2♠-(3♣)-Pass-(Pass)
4♦-All pass
- -
4♦ made +3. I had 3=4=4=2 with 8 HCP.  
(Probably partners ♠'s were better and his ♦'s less solid. Don't see how he could make 7 otherwise).

I think you made a grave error by not bidding 5D (at a minimum). Without knowing your hand, it's impossible to say whether you had a better bid than a simple raise to 5D.

[kgr]

bid_em_up, on Nov 12 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

kgr, on Nov 12 2008, 05:39 AM, said:

My partner did bid 2♠ and the bidding conitnued:
1♦-(2♣)-DBL-(REDBL)
2♠-(3♣)-Pass-(Pass)
4♦-All pass
- -
4♦ made +3. I had 3=4=4=2 with 8 HCP.  
(Probably partners ♠'s were better and his ♦'s less solid. Don't see how he could make 7 otherwise).

I think you made a grave error by not bidding 5D (at a minimum). Without knowing your hand, it's impossible to say whether you had a better bid than a simple raise to 5D.

I guess that both hands were (reconstructed with knowledge that 7D makes, one hand was 7-4 with 13 HCP and the other had 8 HCP):
AQxx=v=AKTxxxx=xx
KJx=xxxx=xxx=Ax

...Actually it was not IMP's but MP's. Because my partner first limited his hand with 2S, I was a bit surprised by his 4D bid and I passed it because I could not imagine 5D making.
Probably 2S is an underbid, but still I should not have passed 4D with my hand even at MP's (Probability that 4D is the good contract is low anyway).