[zhams]

4♦ -- 4♠ 5♦
5♥ -- 5♠ 6♣
X 6♦ AP
4♦ is namyats,firstlead ♥A,how to play?

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[nige1]

triple posting - sorry

[nige1]

I think I'll go back to bed

[nige1]

zhams, on Jun 22 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: E/W Scoring: Unknown

♠ 7 ♥ Q8743 ♦ K954 ♣ J72 ♠ A5 ♥   ♦ AQJT762 ♣ A954

4♦ -- 4♠ 5♦ 5♥ -- 5♠ 6♣ X    6♦ AP 4♦ is namyats,firstlead ♥A,how to play?

No idea but a guess to start the ball rolling ...

• ♥ ruff - no King (?)
  
• ♦9
  
• ♥ ruff - no King (?)
  
• ♦K
  
• ♥ ruff - no King (?)
  
• ♠ ruff
  
• ♥ ruff - King drops (?)
  
• From opponent's carding ...
  • If you judge that LHO has 1, 3 or 5 ♣ then lead a small ♣
    hoping an opponent has singleton K Q or T
    
  • If you judge that LHO has 2 or 4 ♣ then play ♣A and another.
    playing LHO for KQ or KT or QT or a mistake
    Ideally, in this latter case, you might have cashed ♣A earlier, to make an unblock less obvious.

Other lines are possible, depending on opponents carding, and how much you trust their carding.

[zhams]

4♦ means at least 7 cards good ♠,at most one loser in ♠,at most one A or k in side suits,8-9 winner.
1.♥ruff ,east ♥2
2.♦9 ,E/W 1-1
3.♥ ruff, west ♥9,east♥5
if u play ♣A,west void.

[zhams]

maybe it's too diffcult.I will give the other two hands afte one week.

[louisg]

Presumably West is 7=5=1=0 without the ♥K, so we can discard a club on the ♥Q and another on the 5th heart, endplaying West at the same time to give us a ruff/sluff and dispose of our last club. All will become clear once the ♥K drops on the 3rd round. So:

♥ruff
♦9 (all follow)
♥ruff
♦K
♥ruff - King drops from East

The hand is now a complete countout, so cash the black aces, ruff a spade, cash the ♥Q pitching a club, and pitch another club on the last heart.

[zhams]

It's great route.But,unluckly,east have five cards ♥.If u'r careful,u can see west played ♥9 at second ♥ruff .If east's ♥ is K52，then west is AJT96,he always play 6.Of course,9 is same with 6 .Last reply very closed the right answer.

[Echognome]

♣A at trick 2. Gotta make it toughest for west to figure out to unblock with Kx or Qx.

Edit - I see my nice line of CA at trick 2 is ruffed. Nice!

[zhams]

In fact ,I have said the hand of west before.now ,i will give the hands of them.

first lead ♥A.now ,u know how to make 6♦?

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[nige1]

[zhams]

How to call the play in heart,ruff crucify finesse?If it's possible ,i name it- zhams finesse.

[Echognome]

zhams, on Jul 15 2008, 08:39 AM, said:

How to call the play in heart,ruff crucify finesse?If it's possible ,i name it- zhams finesse.

The opponents would definitely have gotten me with that double of 6♣. Is it supposed to be a lead directing double from the player who is going to be on lead? Is it just a psychic double in case opponents try to play there so they misguess clubs? It just seems really bizarre.

[zhams]

nige1, on Jun 22 2008, 02:01 PM, said:

zhams, on Jun 22 2008, 10:32 AM, said:

<!-- NORTHSOUTH begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> E/W </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> Unknown </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> 7 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> Q8743 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'></th> <td> K954 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> J72 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> A5 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'></th> <td> AQJT762 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> A954 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td>
4♦ -- 4♠ 5♦
5♥ -- 5♠ 6♣
X    6♦ AP
4♦ is namyats,firstlead ♥A,how to play?  </td> </tr> </table><!-- NORTHSOUTH end -->

No idea but a guess to start the ball rolling ...

• ♥ ruff - no King (?)
  
  
• ♦9
  
  
• ♥ ruff - no King (?)
  
  
• ♦K
  
  
• ♥ ruff - no King (?)
  
  
• ♠ ruff
  
  
• ♥ ruff - King drops (?)
  
  
• From opponent's carding ...
  • If you judge that LHO has 1, 3 or 5 ♣ then lead a small ♣
    hoping an opponent has singleton K Q or T
    
    
  • If you judge that LHO has 2 or 4 ♣ then play ♣A and another.
    playing LHO for KQ or KT or QT or a mistake
    Ideally, in this latter case, you might have cashed ♣A earlier, to make an unblock less obvious.

Other lines are possible, depending on opponents carding, and how much you trust their carding.

nige1,i think u are a great player,because u just spent half a hour to find the right way.But ,u have made a mistake in your this reply.if the hand of west like this.

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the right play is:
1.ruff ♥
2.♦k
3.ruff♥
4.♠A
5.♠ruff
6.ruff♥
7.all small ♣
Because need dummy ruff three times,one♠,two ♣.so ,u can just clear one round thrump.
By the way,if singleton♣ is 10,there is another route to make it .play ♣J pinning 10,then finesse avoid ♣K(or Q).

[nige1]

zhams, on Jul 16 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

nige1,i think u are a great player,because u just spent half a hour to find the right way.But ,u have made a mistake in your this reply.if the hand of west like this.
the right play is:
1.ruff ♥
2.♦k
3.ruff♥
4.♠A
5.♠ruff
6.ruff♥
7.all small ♣
Because need dummy ruff three times,one♠,two ♣.so ,u can just clear one round thrump.

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Thank you Zhams. A better player or a player who had more time for analysis would cover more play possibilities than I did. Your initial problem statement gave us no clue as to

• Why LHO would bid an undisciplined 5♠?
  
• Why LHO doubled 6♣?
  
• Why LHO would lead ♥A without ♥K when a safe ♠ was available?
  
• How many trumps LHO had?

If West has singleton ♣T or doubleton ♣KT, ♣QT or ♣KQ-- and you guess right -- then you make even after drawing 2 rounds of trumps. You lead a small ♣. Later you ruff a ♠ and guess the ♣ -- on a good day

[zhams]

This hand appeared in one of chinese national match.the dealer of 6♦ was a chinese famouse player ever be a membe of national team.Because of no enough time to think,6♦ down 1.I was a spector.I felt it can be made.so i recorded it ,think it .I don't know the means of bids all too. But i can explain some of them.
first , LHO double 6♣,maybe he want partner back c,give him a ruf,if partner can entry.
second ,west first lead ♥A,maybe afraid dealer ,♠void ,♥ singleton,and dummy have ♠A ,lead ♠let dealer discard ♥.He didn't think to dealer ♥ void.
last,i note the 4♦ open is namyats and give a reply,but u don't pay attention to it enough.it's means west's ♣suits is impossible be KQ or K10,because at most one A or K can be in side suits.

[nige1]

Fair enough Zhams. It is an interesting deal. And your arguments make a lot of sense.

When ♦ split 1-1, I prefer your 2nd line to my original guess. I assumed that LHO was dealt ♥ AK -- a holding that you told us is impossible.

In the match context, at single dummy, I still prefer your 2nd line, most of the time -- even if LHO drops ♥9 when the 2nd ♥ is ruffed. An expert may well find that play from ♥A9x. It can fool only declarer because RHO already knows the ♥ position.

[zhams]

I think the best play of my first line is like this:ruff♥,♦K,ruff♥,♣A.It fit next several hands of west:
1.fact hand;
2.♠KQJ10986X ♥AJ(10)9 ♦8 ♣X(anyone)
3.♠KQJ10XXXX ♥A9 ♦8 ♣QX
4.louisg's 7=5=1=0 hand.
if ♣void,he must judge west hand is 1 or 4;
others he must judge 2 or 3,2 play in first line ,3 play in second line.continue ♠A,if east ♠ big than ♠4,play in second line,or guess.

[zhams]

I made a mistake,i ignored the doubel for 6♣.so it's impossible for hand 2 and 3.