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I agree with Ken that this is a 2C opening but having opened 1D, how can you not rebid 2H on that hand (A9x AKx AKQJ9x x) and how could you fear getting to play in hearts???
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Posted 2008-October-24, 08:53
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-October-24, 09:37
RichMor, on Oct 24 2008, 08:24 AM, said:
Ken,
Continuing to consider continuations:
1) I think you meant 'I either have clubs and diamonds or just diamonds'
Right ? [yes]
2) Agree that the sequence
1♦ - 1♠
2♥ - 3♥
3♠
is ambiguous when one is playing a could-be-false reverse. Is opener patterning out with 3-4-5-1 or control bidding for Hearts or cancelling the original message and showing 3-card Spade support and denying Hearts ?
But a similar ambiguity exists in the sequence
1♦ - 1♠
3♣ - 3♦
3♠
when one is playing could-be-false jump shift. Is opener showing Spade support or control bidding for Diamonds(or Clubs and Diamonds ?)
A partnership needs to resolve these questions based on explicit agreement or general principles('if it can be natural then it is natural') or their personal version of bridge logic.
I suggest that after
1♦ - 1♠
2♥ - 3♥
opener rebids 3♠ to cancel Hearts and show 3-card Spade support. If opener has Hearts then 3NT = ♠ control surrogate and 4 of a minor is a natural control bid for Hearts.
Over to you.
Continuing to consider continuations:
1) I think you meant 'I either have clubs and diamonds or just diamonds'
Right ? [yes]
2) Agree that the sequence
1♦ - 1♠
2♥ - 3♥
3♠
is ambiguous when one is playing a could-be-false reverse. Is opener patterning out with 3-4-5-1 or control bidding for Hearts or cancelling the original message and showing 3-card Spade support and denying Hearts ?
But a similar ambiguity exists in the sequence
1♦ - 1♠
3♣ - 3♦
3♠
when one is playing could-be-false jump shift. Is opener showing Spade support or control bidding for Diamonds(or Clubs and Diamonds ?)
A partnership needs to resolve these questions based on explicit agreement or general principles('if it can be natural then it is natural') or their personal version of bridge logic.
I suggest that after
1♦ - 1♠
2♥ - 3♥
opener rebids 3♠ to cancel Hearts and show 3-card Spade support. If opener has Hearts then 3NT = ♠ control surrogate and 4 of a minor is a natural control bid for Hearts.
Over to you.
If the auction is 1♦-1♠-3♣(?)-3♦, then 3♠ is natural. Minors are the b!tc#es of the bridge world. If Opener wants to pursue a diamond slam, he can bid 3♠ naturally, as a pattern bid, of course.
As to the solution of the 3NT surrogate...
This is a reasonable idea.
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Posted 2008-October-24, 19:22
han, on Oct 24 2008, 07:53 AM, said:
I agree with Ken that this is a 2C opening but having opened 1D, how can you not rebid 2H on that hand (A9x AKx AKQJ9x x) and how could you fear getting to play in hearts???
Because in my auction, partner responded 1 heart, so 2 hearts is non-forcing.
As to the other: you're probably right about making it a 2 club opening, but our agreements for opening 2 clubs and then rebidding a minor suit are that it is a 3 loser hand using losing trick count. It might be right to upgrade anyway, but opening 1 diamond is acting within partnership agreements.
The point wasn't a hey-look at this great auction, but that these fake jump-shifts can really back fire if you and partner aren't on the same page (even though it worked out for us in this event, I'm sure it wouldn't have if we were playing in a different bracket).
Sorry, didn't mean to thread-jack, just meant to add another example of a similar decision as this poster was faced with.
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