[plaur]

Scoring: IMP

p - 1♦ - 3♣*- X
3♠ - p - p - ?
* 5-5 clubs and spades
Teams with new p and teammates. Partner opens 1♦, we are vul vs not.
No agreement on defense vs twosuited. Default agreement of X: I have penalty of (at least) one of their suits

P.S. No shots were fired. Not even one unpleasant word from p

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[rogerclee]

3N, this rates to make very frequently. 3♠ rates to go down too, but I think it will go for 300 most of the time.

Also, I disagree that the first double should be penalty-oriented.

[kgr]

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Default agreement of X: I have penalty of (at least) one of their suits

Not sure if this is a good agreement here. If DBL of 3C is passed to your partner how will he know if he has to pass or not - If you have paenalty against 3C or 3S?

[ArcLight]

What would be wrong with bidding 3NT rather than X for the first bid?

[P_Marlowe]

3NT.

The bid you should have made the round
before.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[kfay]

rogerclee, on Oct 5 2008, 08:33 AM, said:

3N, this rates to make very frequently. 3♠ rates to go down too, but I think it will go for 300 most of the time.

Also, I disagree that the first double should be penalty-oriented.

Agree with this 100%.

[pclayton]

Ugh. I hate 3N. Unless partner turns up with a surprise ♠ stopper or the ♣ A (both unlikely) we will have to scramble eight tricks in the red suits to get our 600. I would be willing to bet that 4♥ is a better contract than 3N most of the time, but how can we possibly find that now?

LHO will have three spades very frequently, and we are flat out killing 3♠ with a trump lead.

DOUBLE !

[plaur]

Scoring: IMP

p - 1♦ - 3♣*- X
3♠ - p - p - 3NT
* 5-5 clubs and spades
Lead ♠9

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I bid 3 NT. Other table made 4♥ for a vul gameswing.

[Echognome]

pclayton, on Oct 7 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

LHO will have three spades very frequently, and we are flat out killing 3♠ with a trump lead.

DOUBLE !

Wdp. Just have to be careful to defend accurately thereafter.

[pclayton]

Echognome, on Oct 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 7 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

LHO will have three spades very frequently, and we are flat out killing 3♠ with a trump lead.

DOUBLE !

Wdp. Just have to be careful to defend accurately thereafter.

Well; lose 8 instead of 12

[Echognome]

pclayton, on Oct 7 2008, 09:28 AM, said:

Echognome, on Oct 7 2008, 08:56 AM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 7 2008, 07:31 AM, said:

LHO will have three spades very frequently, and we are flat out killing 3♠ with a trump lead.

DOUBLE !

Wdp. Just have to be careful to defend accurately thereafter.

Well; lose 8 instead of 12

I have it as lose 4 so perk up.

[NickRW]

I don't see what was wrong with X - if it showed 4 hearts - rather than this, IMO rather silly, penalty X of one or other of their suits. You can still bid 3N later if that seems right then.

Nick

[cherdano]

I don't like looking for 4-4 fits when one of the opponents has shown a 5-5. If double is takeout it should be 5 hearts with tolerance for diamonds. Penalty of clubs would also make a lot of sense.

[ArtK78]

3♠x goes for 500, doesn't it? That would be 3 IMPs.

[Echognome]

ArtK78, on Oct 7 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

3♠x goes for 500, doesn't it? That would be 3 IMPs.

Oops. Yeah. 120 difference would be 3.

[pclayton]

ArtK78, on Oct 7 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

3♠x goes for 500, doesn't it? That would be 3 IMPs.

How are you getting 3♠ for 500? You can't draw dummy's trump, and effectively use diamonds as a tap suit.

I think the offense should get 4♠, 2♥ and a club in the wash.

For instance, trump lead, lose a club, A♠, ♠. Lose a club. Win the heart shift in hand, lose a club. Heart won on the board, ruff a heart lose the last club.

Unless I'm missing something.