[ArcLight]

>>1S 4C (strong spolinter, 13-15)


Is this 13-15 HCP, or 13-15 support points.

Since a limit raise is 10-12 support points, I think many use 13-15/16 support points as a splinter range, then move on to J2NT.

13-15 HCP implies 16-18 support points. 13-15 HCP outside of clubs (unless a stiff ace)



I don't think this is clear because strong splinter may just mean its not a mini-splinter.
I don't think Arend uses bad methods so suspect its 13-15 support points



Assuming 13-15 support points I would pass 4S.
I also would not have bid 4H.

[cherdano]

Not it meant 13-15 hcp. And I neither held this hand, nor are these bad methods (in fact I play them too).

[Echognome]

cherdano, on Sep 17 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

Not it meant 13-15 hcp. And I neither held this hand, nor are these bad methods (in fact I play them too).

Is it supposed to follow that since you play them too these aren't bad methods?

I would have thought the converse.

[han]

4H was indeed completely obvious. Our hand really isn't bad, if partner has a 0-count 4-4-4-1 shape then we'd likely lose only 5 tricks. Will partner be able to cover 4 of our losers?

The perfect 13-count obviously does. I think that my partner would bid again with Kxxx Kxxx AKxx x, but with Kxxx KQxx Axxx x he would not and that's not even a 13-count. With KQJx QJxx KQxx x (does this qualify as a good splinter?) the 5-level would not be safe and if partner is a very bad bridge player and can't count HCP then he might even have the second hand presented b mcphee.

I think it is close between pass and 5S. 5S tells partner that we have no club or diamond control and only a single heart control (which probably has to be the ace given that we are trying for slam). I think that we'd be at least on a finesse if partner bids 6 over that.

[Cascade]

4♥ for me and 5♠ now.

I have two key-cards and a sixth trump these are great in the context.

Partner is limited and will rarely push beyond 4♠ so I have to make the tough decisions. Sure occasionally we will go down at the five-level but that benefit is that we will bid some making slams when partner has a nice minimum. I think the benefit far outweighs the cost.

[nige1]

cherdano, on Sep 17 2008, 01:42 AM, said:

ATxxxx Ax xx QTx
1S 4C (strong spolinter, 13-15)
4H 4S
?
Do you agree with 4H? Are you worth another move? If yes, which one?

IMO

• Over 4♣, 4♥ = 10, 4♠ = 5.
  
• Now, over 4♠, _P = 10, 4N (rolling) = 9.

[cherdano]

Assuming we want to make another try, how about RKCB, with the plan to bid 6♠ over 5♥, but to pass 5♠?
The problem with all invitations is that partner doesn't know that the ♠Q is wasted/not needed. OTOH, given his bidding 6♠ can't be good if he has the ♠Q, but it is very likely good if he doesn't (at worst it is on 2-1 trumps and a finesse).

[Free]

4♥ is clear imo.

What to do next depends on your agreements imo. In my partnerships, responder doesn't have a ♦ cue, so pass is pretty obvious...

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Sep 17 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

Assuming we want to make another try, how about RKCB, with the plan to bid 6♠ over 5♥, but to pass 5♠?
The problem with all invitations is that partner doesn't know that the ♠Q is wasted/not needed. OTOH, given his bidding 6♠ can't be good if he has the ♠Q, but it is very likely good if he doesn't (at worst it is on 2-1 trumps and a finesse).

Are you precluded with splintering with a singleton A?

[y66]

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Assuming we want to make another try, how about RKCB, with the plan to bid 6♠ over 5♥, but to pass 5♠?

Very nice. Most imaginative.

[cherdano]

pclayton, on Sep 18 2008, 09:01 AM, said:

cherdano, on Sep 17 2008, 09:53 PM, said:

Assuming we want to make another try, how about RKCB, with the plan to bid 6♠ over 5♥, but to pass 5♠?
The problem with all invitations is that partner doesn't know that the ♠Q is wasted/not needed. OTOH, given his bidding 6♠ can't be good if he has the ♠Q, but it is very likely good if he doesn't (at worst it is on 2-1 trumps and a finesse).

Are you precluded with splintering with a singleton A?

I wouldn't use a strong splinter with a singleton ace.

[mike777]

edit.

I thought 4h was plenty, pass now.

[han]

I also toyed with the keycard idea, sounds good to me Arend!