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Poll: Over 1 diamond? (75 member(s) have cast votes)

Over 1 diamond?

  1. Pass (doublers are nuts) (27 votes [36.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.00%

  2. Pass (but double is reasonable) (25 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. Double (but pass is OK too) (12 votes [16.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.00%

  4. Double (passers are wusses) (11 votes [14.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.67%

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Posted 2008-September-02, 08:26

More about partnership "trust".

Do you need to "operate" or can you trust partner to know to do what is "right" under the circumstances. That is why bridge is such a partnership game and why so many go down in flames when one feels the need to discount the other member of the pair.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 09:22

Whatever your call is, it's hardly "totally obvious"
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Posted 2008-September-02, 09:25

The_Hog, on Sep 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Totally obvious pass for me. I think double is not a good call unless you specifically play italian style t/o doubles. I think the "wusses" play bridge, others thow the die and let them land where they will.

It's a good game, you know, when you win on 1 2 3 or 4 and lose on 5 or 6. But some people are too scared to take any risk at all to know a positive expectation when they are looking at it.

I don't expect the discussion to convince anyone of much. After all, look how many 1NT bidders there are! Clearly the opinions of a crowd are to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 09:34

jdonn, on Sep 2 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Totally obvious pass for me. I think double is not a good call unless you specifically play italian style t/o doubles. I think the "wusses" play bridge, others thow the die and let them land where they will.

It's a good game, you know, when you win on 1 2 3 or 4 and lose on 5 or 6. But some people are too scared to take any risk at all to know a positive expectation when they are looking at it.

I don't expect the discussion to convince anyone of much. After all, look how many 1NT bidders there are! Clearly the opinions of a crowd are to be taken with a grain of salt.

We're in the water cooler now, right?

This is just standard macho posturing. Some people are so scared of appearing to be girlie feeble bidders with no balls, that they would rather make an insanely agressive call with negative expectation than the technically correct pass.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 09:39

FrancesHinden, on Sep 2 2008, 10:34 AM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 2 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 2 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

Totally obvious pass for me. I think double is not a good call unless you specifically play italian style t/o doubles. I think the "wusses" play bridge, others thow the die and let them land where they will.

It's a good game, you know, when you win on 1 2 3 or 4 and lose on 5 or 6. But some people are too scared to take any risk at all to know a positive expectation when they are looking at it.

I don't expect the discussion to convince anyone of much. After all, look how many 1NT bidders there are! Clearly the opinions of a crowd are to be taken with a grain of salt.

We're in the water cooler now, right?

This is just standard macho posturing. Some people are so scared of appearing to be girlie feeble bidders with no balls, that they would rather make an insanely agressive call with negative expectation than the technically correct pass.

If you are going to start insulting people who weren't even talking to you completely out of the blue, it would probably be more polite to have actually posted your opinion in the thread already, lest people think this was the only reason you came.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 09:40

Frances for president :angry:

But the fear of being classified as not having (whatever body part one associates with risk-willingness) if passing is irrational: Someone said that bidding is dangerous but passing is more dangerous. Obviously this depends on the situation.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 10:18

Ever since Garozzo jumped on my bandwagon, "pass" has picked up a lot of traction in the poll.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 10:21

jdonn, on Sep 2 2008, 10:25 AM, said:

It's a good game, you know, when you win on 1 2 3 or 4 and lose on 5 or 6. But some people are too scared to take any risk at all to know a positive expectation when they are looking at it.

Depending, of course, on how much you're gaining on 1-4, and how much you're losing on 5 & 6.
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Posted 2008-September-02, 12:52

"meo-r-o-w-r"!! (vain attempt at making the cat-fight sound)

But I like the passion that can be expressed either way. If everything was cut and dried then it would be "Go fish!" wouldn't it?
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