[flytoox]

Vul: NS
Dealer: N

W N E S
-- P 1S 2C
2S 3C 3S 3N

S: XX
H: KXXX
D: AXXX
C: J8X

S: AJX
H: A
D: T9X
C: AKT9XX

OPENING LEAD: S2, EAST PRODUCED SK.

WHAT IS THE BEST PERCENTAGE PLAY?

[Free]

Small ♠ to block their suit, Ace the 2nd time they play the suit. If west has Qxx he either has to unblock the Q giving you your J, or keep his Q and block te suit... Getting to 9 tricks in the other suits seems pretty easy. Play ♥A and, ♣A and small ♣ to the J. If you lose to the Q, you can still use the 8 to get to ♥K.

[Trpltrbl]

Win the Ace of ♠, play 2 High ♣ Ace of ♥ and duck out a ♣. West should win according to bidding. And I will have my 9 tricks.

Mike

[Flame]

I'll combine the 2 privious answers, like free i believe that the Qxx of spade is on my left, but ill still play the A of spade on the first round, then if later east will play spade ill put small. the resson this is a bit better is because as free played, there is a slight chance to too many diamonds on a diamond shift. so ill play like Trp for the ressons Free mentioned

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ignore this post

[tasos]

Hi all,
I agree with Free's line of play. I am going to duck the opening trick, as from the bidding I can place west to hold up to 5 points maximum.

[Flame]

tasos, on Apr 3 2004, 07:52 PM, said:

Hi all,
I agree with Free's line of play. I am going to duck the opening trick, as from the bidding I can place west to hold up to 5 points maximum.

Why not take the A and play low on a next spade runing trugh you like i proposed?

[cnszsun]

It seems most people play west with ♠Q, i can't see strong reasons behind it. West's ♠2 lead indicates honour in that suit or East's ♠K denies Q?

[inquiry]

cnszsun, on Apr 3 2004, 11:25 PM, said:

It seems most people play west with ♠Q, i can't see strong reasons behind it. West's ♠2 lead indicates honour in that suit or East's ♠K denies Q?

It's a combination of both of them. People false-card all the time, but odd of them both to falsecard on the same hand.

Having said that, I don't agreewith the general lines given above. To keep it short, let's look at Free's line. "Small ♠ to block their suit, Ace the 2nd time they play the suit. If west has Qxx he either has to unblock the Q giving you your J, or keep his Q and block te suit... Getting to 9 tricks in the other suits seems pretty easy. Play ♥A and, ♣A and small ♣ to the J. If you lose to the Q, you can still use the 8 to get to ♥K. "

He is using third round of ♣ to "get" to the ♥K (♦ace would work to). The problem, is how to get back to your hand to all those lovely good ♣'s. There is the rub. Trpltrbl's cash two high ♣ and a ♥ line is better, but suffers from the same problem NO MATTER who has the ♣Q. They will lock you in dummy with a ♥ and take enough tricks to crush you.

The right play is

1) Win ♠Ace immediately, and
2) Cash the ♥A, then
3) Lead a low ♣ from your hand. If west has the ♣Q, and he wins, you are home NO MATTER WHERE the ♠Q is. If East has the ♣Q, you fall back on the blocking the ♠ suit. If East leads a low ♠ and if you continue to believe that West has ♠Qxx originally, just duck now.

This duck the first ♣ to dummy also protects against 4-0 ♣ split.

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inquiry, on Apr 4 2004, 12:05 AM, said:

cnszsun, on Apr 3 2004, 11:25 PM, said:

It seems most people play west with ♠Q, i can't see strong reasons behind it. West's ♠2 lead indicates honour in that suit or East's ♠K denies Q?

It's a combination of both of them. People false-card all the time, but odd of them both to falsecard on the same hand.

Having said that, I don't agreewith the general lines given above. To keep it short, let's look at Free's line. "Small ♠ to block their suit, Ace the 2nd time they play the suit. If west has Qxx he either has to unblock the Q giving you your J, or keep his Q and block te suit... Getting to 9 tricks in the other suits seems pretty easy. Play ♥A and, ♣A and small ♣ to the J. If you lose to the Q, you can still use the 8 to get to ♥K. "

He is using third round of ♣ to "get" to the ♥K (♦ace would work to). The problem, is how to get back to your hand to all those lovely good ♣'s. There is the rub. Trpltrbl's cash two high ♣ and a ♥ line is better, but suffers from the same problem NO MATTER who has the ♣Q. They will lock you in dummy with a ♥ and take enough tricks to crush you.

The right play is

1) Win ♠Ace immediately, and
2) Cash the ♥A, then
3) Lead a low ♣ from your hand. If west has the ♣Q, and he wins, you are home NO MATTER WHERE the ♠Q is. If East has the ♣Q, you fall back on the blocking the ♠ suit. If East leads a low ♠ and if you continue to believe that West has ♠Qxx originally, just duck now.

This duck the first ♣ to dummy also protects against 4-0 ♣ split.

Free will get to dummy wityh the A of diamond, and will get to hand with the club, no problem in that.
As for playing small club at round 1, this will work vs 4 clubs in west's hand where my line go down. on the other side my line take one more trick where Q of club is single, and if its single at east's hand it will save the day when east has the Q of spade after all.

[inquiry]

[quote name='Flame' date='Apr 4 2004, 07:39 AM'] [quote name='inquiry' date='Apr 4 2004, 12:05 AM'] Free will get to dummy wityh the A of diamond, and will get to hand with the club, no problem in that.
As for playing small club at round 1, this will work vs 4 clubs in west's hand where my line go down. on the other side my line take one more trick where Q of club is single, and if its single at east's hand it will save the day when east has the Q of spade after all. [/quote]
I didn't comment on your line because it was far superior to Free's. Sure he could use the [di]A to get to dummy, but I quote what he said again.... "If you lose to the Q, you can still use the 8 to get to ♥K."

So he is saying, he is going to play a low [cl] to the [cl]8 on the third round of the suit. This just is a horrible line, and he will go down when he uses it. Perhaps i should have simply made a comment about using the [di]A instead to make the point clearer about using the [cl] entry is a bad option.