[helium]

Hi all. im having a discussion whit a friend of mine, he think that my bidding is crazy and that im just a very lucky kid, thats why i usally get good scores:)
well i have to agree whit him sometimes,but not all the time, like on this hand:

we were playing a friendly team match, my p was one of bbos star players,we have played together a few times, but only system agreement we had made was " sayc,std carding" so the bidding is all natural.

i hold thees cards : ♠QJ973♥983♦AQJ2♣J

you are dealer, voul vs not.

pass-3♥-X-4♥-4♥-pass-4nt-pass-6♦-pass-6♥-pass-? now what??



i choose to bid 7 ♠ now, all pass and dummy comes up whit:
♠AK1052♥A♦K54♣AQ102 and 13 tricks was claimed.

now my friend say i just closed my eyes and bid 7,but i dissagree, but pls vote and tell me what u think, was 7 a wild shot? could p have less than what he had after the bidding?



kenneth:)

[the hog]

Hmm. Looks like I forgot to open the bidding.

[inquiry]

Put away the chaps, don't pick up the lasso... aint no cowboys at this table... But that doesn't necessary mean "good bridge" however.

A cowboy, would surely have opened 1♠, but that is another issue.

A cowboy also might have bid a lot more than 4♠ directly over 4♥. Now, the 6♦ bid was all hollywood... no need for that (that was too wild for even a cowboy)... do you really thnink 4NT was to play. This was nice, tame RKCB. You should answer politely one keycard thank you very much.... If parnter makes any further slam investigation, then bid the grand.

Now, after the, er, creative leap to 6♦, 6♥ is a grand slam try. So if i had passed (i would not), if i had bid only 4♠ (i would not), and if I had leaped to 6♦ over 4NT (i would not), I would have gladly bid the grand over the grand slam over the grand slam try of 6♥'s.

So like I said, no cowboys, but the bidding is suspect all along here...this probably prompted the comment.

Ben

[Free]

you don't have to be a cowboy to open this hand, it's a standard 1♠ opening... about bidding 6 or 7, Ben's told it all again.

[mishovnbg]

Spoiler

----------------------------------------

Hi Kenneth!
7♠

Spoiler

--------

Your friend was right, you close both your and p eyes with your 6♦, instead of respond about KC .

Spoiler

-----------------------------------------

Misho

[Flame]

A bid is good or cowboy in a context. you need to explain the bidding because no one understand it. what did you think 4nt was ? what was your 6d ?

[inquiry]

Flame, on Mar 30 2004, 05:15 PM, said:

A bid is good or cowboy in a context. you need to explain the bidding because no one understand it. what did you think 4nt was ? what was your 6d ?

Six diamonds can only be pick a slam... 6♦ or 6♠ imho....simply because no other logical explaination exist without lookng at the hands, and looking at the hands, the same conclusion is reached...

Ben

[Flame]

usually jumps after ace asking is showing a void so it isnt ovious here, i agree that after opponents showing heart it is better to play those jumps differently, but when partner asks for aces it might be logical that those jumps will be with a set number of aces (or KC) just like the void jump is usually set to 2 aces, the 6d could be set to 2 aces and two suiter.

[inquiry]

Flame, on Apr 1 2004, 03:12 AM, said:

usually jumps after ace asking is showing a void so it isnt ovious here, i agree that after opponents showing heart it is better to play those jumps differently, but when partner asks for aces it might be logical that those jumps will be with a set number of aces (or KC) just like the void jump is usually set to 2 aces, the 6d could be set to 2 aces and two suiter.

Well, helium can explain what his bid meant for himself, but looking at the ahnds here is a conversation someone else making this bid may have had with himself.

6D bidder thinking to self...

"Hmmmm, I told partner I like spades, but he bids 4NT. could he have a big balanced hand, and he not like spades?"

"No, that doesn't seem likely. Maybe 4NT is pick a contract and he was afraid to double 4HE as I might pass..."

"No, that might not be right. You know what I bet 4NT was blackwood, yes that makes sense, but I play wiht this fellow so few times, maybe not. If its not blackwood and I bid 5♦ he will pass and we miss good slam, as I have extra values."

"Will partner pass 5♦? Gosh he will be mad at me if he does. I know, I'll play it save since I have extra values for my 4SP bid, and simply jump to 6♦. If we belong in slams it has be be in one of my two suits... I know, with the wisdom of soloman, my jump to 6DI will let partner figure out what to do... he has the gold star after all.. "

Something like that. And yes, jumps show voids and keycards normally.

[Flame]

inquiry, on Apr 1 2004, 03:22 AM, said:

Flame, on Apr 1 2004, 03:12 AM, said:

usually jumps after ace asking is showing a void so it isnt ovious here, i agree that after opponents showing heart it is better to play those  jumps differently, but when partner asks for aces it might be logical that those jumps will be with a set number of aces (or KC) just like the void jump is usually set to 2 aces, the 6d could be set to 2 aces and two suiter.

Well, helium can explain what his bid meant for himself, but looking at the ahnds here is a conversation someone else making this bid may have had with himself.

6D bidder thinking to self...

"Hmmmm, I told partner I like spades, but he bids 4NT. could he have a big balanced hand, and he not like spades?"

"No, that doesn't seem likely. Maybe 4NT is pick a contract and he was afraid to double 4HE as I might pass..."

"No, that might not be right. You know what I bet 4NT was blackwood, yes that makes sense, but I play wiht this fellow so few times, maybe not. If its not blackwood and I bid 5♦ he will pass and we miss good slam, as I have extra values."

"Will partner pass 5♦? Gosh he will be mad at me if he does. I know, I'll play it save since I have extra values for my 4SP bid, and simply jump to 6♦. If we belong in slams it has be be in one of my two suits... I know, with the wisdom of soloman, my jump to 6DI will let partner figure out what to do... he has the gold star after all.. "

Something like that. And yes, jumps show voids and keycards normally.

You are a mind reader
Can you guess what i'm thinking right now ?
You are probebly right.

[helium]

Hehe, hes not a mind reader,he just juse hes logic sence, and he was right, i was frustreted too becouse i dint open bidding,so to be sure we reach slam ♠/♦ i jump to 6 ♦ and hope that discribed my hand enough for p to choose spot to play in, and he understood it perfectly,and showed grand slam intress whit 6♥.

[dogsbreath]

Hi
I'm not crazy about 6D .. but over 6H y got Club control and 5 good spades .. what more can p be hoping for from a passed hand? 7s from me also

[Trpltrbl]

Many bad bids here, but the 2 worst are, the first pass and the 6♦ bid. If pd asks you something, like aces, answer. Don't go off and gamble or take valuable space away. You might as well have bid 7♠ after r pd bid 4NT. Since everything else was just wasting time and using up space.

Mike