How come so many say SAYC and so few play it?
#21
Posted 2008-August-05, 01:23
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
#22
Posted 2008-August-05, 05:08
In an ideal World people would say "5cM strong notrump" if that is all they agreed to. But wait ... that could also be Power Precision or WJ. Or they would say "SA" .... but wait, that could easily be something with a forcing 1NT and tons of gadgets.
When people say "hi opps, we play SAYC" I translate it to "we play some simple variant of SA, lots of bids are undiscussed". It would be better if they said just that instead of the misleading "SAYC" but as Trumpace says, they aren't deliberately lying. Maybe "we try to play SAYC" would be better disclosure.
JoAnneM said:
#23
Posted 2008-August-05, 05:21
blackshoe, on Aug 3 2008, 04:38 PM, said:
Some years ago, I was introduced to a new player at the local club. She said, quite proudly, "I play SAYC." "Good," I said, "then you play Jacoby 2NT." "What's that?" she asked. She never did learn it.
part of the problem might be that sayc has gone through several "incarnations". the original, if i remember correctly, did not have jacoby 2nt, that was added later. I find for the most part, sayc works ok, after all, the bids that seem to be so important to the experts here rarely come up anyway. So, if you just play transfers and 2s->3c over 1nt you are most of the way there anyway.
Bill
#24
Posted 2008-August-05, 07:33
Trumpace, on Aug 3 2008, 01:28 PM, said:
0.02
Definitely the ideal solution, if you can find one.
"gwnn" said:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
#25
Posted 2008-August-05, 08:56
helene_t, on Aug 5 2008, 06:08 AM, said:
I translate it as "we don't alert anything". The actual system used is irrelevant.
One of the most frequent calls I get in Addicts actually related to bridge is somebody playing "SAYC" opening 1♣ with 4342 or 4441. No alert, of course.
#26
Posted 2008-August-05, 09:45
kvkmak, on Aug 2 2008, 04:50 PM, said:
Anyone else notice this?
-ken
If I play a 5card Major 15-17 NT ; Stayman; Blackwood; all jumps strong, '2/1' not a game Force std raises and no other gadgets what system am I playing?
The term Standard American aka SAYC suggests itself .YC ? I dont know what it means.Who cares? I dont play with experts anyway;rather they dont play with me.
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#27
Posted 2008-August-05, 10:05
#28
Posted 2008-August-05, 11:26
zasanya, on Aug 5 2008, 10:45 AM, said:
kvkmak, on Aug 2 2008, 04:50 PM, said:
Anyone else notice this?
-ken
If I play a 5card Major 15-17 NT ; Stayman; Blackwood; all jumps strong, '2/1' not a game Force std raises and no other gadgets what system am I playing?
The term Standard American aka SAYC suggests itself .YC ? I dont know what it means.Who cares? I dont play with experts anyway;rather they dont play with me.
YC stands for 'Yellow Card'. It is called like that because eons ago ACBL printed convention cards with a standard system on yellow paper. This standard system was one of the many variations of Standard American. Because of the yellow convention card, the system became known as 'Standard American Yellow Card' or SAYC.
The SAYC variations that you can find on the internet are somewhat different from the original SAYC. Does it matter? Yes and no. It doesn't matter in the sense that when I meet someone and agree to play SAYC, we at least have some minimal agreements and we can play. It does matter since the original SAYC is more or less lost and from a bridge historic point of view that is somewhat sad. (Maybe we could call the 'modern' version I(nternet)-SAYC to separate it from the original, but I think it is too late for that already.)
Rik
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#29
Posted 2008-August-05, 13:21
Wikipedia very incorrectly states that Standard American and SAYC are more or less the same thing. Someone should go in and fix that.
http://en.wikipedia....andard_American
#30
Posted 2008-August-06, 03:54
This would serve most players fine. Then concentrate on card play which is the real difficult and interesting part of bridge anyway.
Bill

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