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Easy bid?

Poll: Partner opens 1D - your bid (43 member(s) have cast votes)

Partner opens 1D - your bid

  1. 1NT (9 votes [20.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.93%

  2. 2C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2D (14 votes [32.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.56%

  4. 2NT (20 votes [46.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.51%

  5. 3C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   firmit 

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Posted 2008-July-07, 04:26

Got into a discussion about this hand - so why not a poll :)

You hold
K10
Kxx
Jxxx
KJxx

We use 15-17NT, 2 over 1 GF unless rebid
partner opens 1♦ promising 4+card suit and 11-19hp (12-14/18-19 nt).
We use inverted minor where 1♦-2♦-3♦ and 1♦-2♦-2NT-3♦ is NF,
(edited) and 1x - 1NT NF = 6-10 (even 11 with 3334)hp.

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Posted 2008-July-07, 05:10

1NT = 6-11? What is 2NT?

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Posted 2008-July-07, 05:30

Hanoi5, on Jul 7 2008, 01:10 PM, said:

1NT = 6-11? What is 2NT?

2nt would be to strong for 1nt - the 11hp count in 1NT is mainly the 4333 hand with no good rebid.
Thus - 2NT is 11-12hp NT. Sorry that was not clear - will add it to OP.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 06:13

Well, if I have agreed to play inverted raises I really don't see why I wouldn't bid 2♦ :)
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Posted 2008-July-07, 06:33

2D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-07, 07:22

This hand is more NT-y than diam-y. Plus it has all those kings that need protecting.

So if 2N=11-12 invitational and 2D=invitation+, I will bid 2N.

If one is GF and the other not, I will choose the non-GF bid.

Finally, if both 2D and 2N are GF, I will bid 1N and curse my system under my breath for not giving me an easy response with a common hand.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 07:27

isn't this hand why I play inverted minors and 4+ diamond opener?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 09:52

SoTired, on Jul 7 2008, 03:22 PM, said:

This hand is more NT-y than diam-y. Plus it has all those kings that need protecting.

So if 2N=11-12 invitational and 2D=invitation+, I will bid 2N.

If one is GF and the other not, I will choose the non-GF bid.

Finally, if both 2D and 2N are GF, I will bid 1N and curse my system under my breath for not giving me an easy response with a common hand.

Neither 2D nor 2NT is GF. 2D is RF - the NF sequences are in the OP.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 19:31

2♦ WTP
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 19:35

655321, on Jul 7 2008, 08:31 PM, said:

2♦ WTP

? I thought this was a 2N wtp!
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Posted 2008-July-07, 19:46

Jlall, on Jul 7 2008, 08:35 PM, said:

655321, on Jul 7 2008, 08:31 PM, said:

2♦ WTP

? I thought this was a 2N wtp!

OK, I better get rid of the WTP :)

I just always make the inverted raise on these hands. I guess it is true that when partner rebids 2NT (F1) we are not sure whether or not we should be in game, but I feel that (1) because the game/invite decision is marginal, it does not matter so much, and (2) at least I have shown support this way - and sometimes partner does not rebid 2NT.

Sometimes, I play that 2NT is 11-12 balanced with 4 card support, obviously I would bid 2NT under that agreement.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 21:00

1NT for me.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 22:36

2N. I'm balanced with the lead coming into one of my kings, and I even have some spots.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 23:11

1nt or 2nt ugg tough.......if partner opens junk...1nt..if sound 2nt.....
I will let the inverted minors experts say why 2d is best.
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:18

2D. This is an inverted m bid. I have agreed to these, so why would I not make the obvious bid?
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:20

2NT. Dare I say wtp??
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:29

The_Hog, on Jul 8 2008, 01:18 AM, said:

2D. This is an inverted m bid. I have agreed to these, so why would I not make the obvious bid?

because to some players it is not obvious.........pls explain.
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:33

Does this hand look like NT or diamonds? If we belong in diamonds partner will not bid 3N over 2N and we can still get there. It's not like 2N precludes us from playing diamonds if it's right. We have every suit stopped, and would probably rather play it from our side (it's possible it's best to play from partner's side, but it's a bigger favorite that we should play it).
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:38

This is not so clear in my opinion.

Depending on partners opening style, I can imagine responding 1NT, 2NT or 2♦. My hand looks like declaring a NT contract, which points in the direction of 1NT or 2NT. Playing a light opening style I'd respond 1NT, playing a 'normal' opening style I'd respond 2NT. (I know there are people out there with a style where 3NT would be the correct response. I've never partnered any of them, though.)
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Posted 2008-July-08, 00:41

Agree with 1N with a lot of people btw.
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