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Posted 2008-July-07, 08:51

Honestly when I played this hand only one bid kind of occurred to me. I'm sure it was the wrong one. What bid makes you happiest?

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(2♠)-P-(3♠)-?


WOW!!! Sorry I can't believe I missed this.

Auction was 2♠-3♠.... they did'nt preempt in hearts.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 08:54

4♣
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Posted 2008-July-07, 08:56

double
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Posted 2008-July-07, 08:57

3N was the only call that occurred to me initially. Then I thought about the problem.

The opps are vul, so LHO isn't on 5 and RHO isn't on two. Pard would need a very specific hand to make 3N - something like ♣AKx or ♦5 times + 3 black tricks or ♦6 times or 2 black tricks. Note that with these hand, 5 of a minor is just as playable.

I'm bidding 4♣.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 08:59

There are two bids that occur to me:

3NT and 4♣.

3NT is the winner if partner has some help in hearts (as little as Txx or Hx) along with a club honor and enough in spades so that the suit is not wide open.

4♣ will lead to a making game if partner can find a raise. To make 5♣, pard needs the AK of clubs or a club honor along with a trick in the majors. If pard doesn't have that much, 4♣ is probably as good as anything.

Playing in diamonds is only right if partner has less than 2 clubs and long diamonds, so I am not going to make any attempt to find a diamond contract.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 09:04

i really dislike 3nt, didn't even consider it as an option
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Posted 2008-July-07, 09:21

4♣
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Posted 2008-July-07, 12:55

3NT didn't occur to me.

I've tried this once before and gotten screwed. Both times were at MPs, though... maybe this is different.

I hate double for the obvoius 4♥ that comes back to you.

4♣ seems normal. Maybe it's right.

I decided AKQx was as good as AKxxx and bid 4NT.

Thoughts?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 14:51

kfay, on Jul 7 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

3NT didn't occur to me.

I've tried this once before and gotten screwed. Both times were at MPs, though... maybe this is different.

I hate double for the obvoius 4♥ that comes back to you.

4♣ seems normal. Maybe it's right.

I decided AKQx was as good as AKxxx and bid 4NT.

Thoughts?

i really don't think 4h will come back so often
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Posted 2008-July-07, 15:37

Sambolino, on Jul 7 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

kfay, on Jul 7 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

3NT didn't occur to me.

I've tried this once before and gotten screwed.  Both times were at MPs, though... maybe this is different.

I hate double for the obvoius 4♥ that comes back to you.

4♣ seems normal.  Maybe it's right.

I decided AKQx was as good as AKxxx and bid 4NT.

Thoughts?

i really don't think 4h will come back so often

You're definitely right... in the context of a 2♥-3♥ auction... but I misposted. It was actually 2♠-3♠. Sorry
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Posted 2008-July-07, 15:39

I'd bid 4C, my hand isn't that great.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 16:03

Am I the only one that plays 4♣ as clubs and hearts?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-July-07, 16:13

gnasher, on Jul 7 2008, 05:03 PM, said:

Am I the only one that plays 4♣ as clubs and hearts?

Everyone on the forums plays it when a 5-5 hand is posted, but when this hand is posted they do not play it anymore.
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Posted 2008-July-07, 17:48

gnasher, on Jul 8 2008, 12:03 AM, said:

Am I the only one that plays 4♣ as clubs and hearts?

I also play it as rounded 2 suiter but I have no idea what I'd bid. Double probably? Can we look at partner's hand signal about heart length before we choose?
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Posted 2008-July-07, 19:29

Jlall, on Jul 7 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

gnasher, on Jul 7 2008, 05:03 PM, said:

Am I the only one that plays 4♣ as clubs and hearts?

Everyone on the forums plays it when a 5-5 hand is posted, but when this hand is posted they do not play it anymore.

LOL
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Posted 2008-July-07, 19:52

Jlall, on Jul 8 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

gnasher, on Jul 7 2008, 05:03 PM, said:

Am I the only one that plays 4♣ as clubs and hearts?

Everyone on the forums plays it when a 5-5 hand is posted, but when this hand is posted they do not play it anymore.

See even you think that is a great method.
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