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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-July-05, 16:50

Scoring: IMP

1-p-1NT-?

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Posted 2008-July-05, 16:54

2h!
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Posted 2008-July-05, 17:05

2H WTP. This hand is not awesome
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Posted 2008-July-05, 17:12

2H is my preference but find double acceptable as well.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 17:45

2
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Posted 2008-July-05, 18:02

Pass. This is a very dangerous hand on which to bid. Its hardly an awesome hand.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 18:05

2
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 18:33

2. This could got for a number, but its pretty chicken not to act and we might even have a game.

Wolff would say, "passing is too dangerous".
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Posted 2008-July-05, 19:16

I am strongly in favor of double with this hand for these reasons: 1, it is certainly right to compete on this auction as RHO had denied majors so we should have a major suit in which to compete, 2, RHO has limited his hand, and 3, my hand is decent enough.

However, 2H is unilateral and fails to find the good 4/3, 5/3, or 6/3 spade fit when that is right, and eliminates 1N x'd if RHO is out fooling around.

And although there could be game our way, this is unlikely and not the most important reason to bid - the reasons are the implied even division of the HCP becasue of the NT bid by RHO and the implied major-suit fit also implied by the 1NT bid of RHO.
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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:03

If you gottem, bidem... 2
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Posted 2008-July-05, 20:05

inquiry, on Jul 5 2008, 09:03 PM, said:

If you gottem, bidem... 2

KQ743 does not constitute "having 'em".

KQ1097 is "having 'em".

However, if you pretend you really do "have 'em" with a 2H bid, you get to practice playing 2H down-a-zillion instead of the sane 2S making when partner tables Jxxxx, xx, xxx, Axx
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Posted 2008-July-06, 00:19

Winstonm, on Jul 5 2008, 09:05 PM, said:

However, if you pretend you really do "have 'em" with a 2H bid, you get to practice playing 2H down-a-zillion instead of the sane 2S making when partner tables Jxxxx, xx, xxx, Axx

Let's please not start down the example hand route on this. Partner can have a million things. It's not like OMG there is a hand where spades is better so we should double!
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Posted 2008-July-06, 00:21

Winstonm, on Jul 5 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

I am strongly in favor of double with this hand for these reasons: 1, it is certainly right to compete on this auction as RHO had denied majors so we should have a major suit in which to compete, 2, RHO has limited his hand, and 3, my hand is decent enough.

However, 2H is unilateral and fails to find the good 4/3, 5/3, or 6/3 spade fit when that is right, and eliminates 1N x'd if RHO is out fooling around.

And although there could be game our way, this is unlikely and not the most important reason to bid - the reasons are the implied even division of the HCP becasue of the NT bid by RHO and the implied major-suit fit also implied by the 1NT bid of RHO.

I am not sure how you can basically call two people idiots for asking bridge-related questions and then post this. Do you think partner is sitting for 1NTx when we have this good a hand? Maybe partner has 6 spades and passed over 1, or maybe partner has THREE HEARTS.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 04:09

I'm in favour of 2. Passing is too dangerous when 2 or even 3H can make and 1NT might be passed out.. Although X might be the most flexible bid, I think 2H will catch a fit more often than not
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Posted 2008-July-06, 05:05

2, 2, 2....
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Posted 2008-July-06, 08:18

Another reason 2 is good. The opener has (almost) denied 5 hearts, and responder has denied 4, while your partner's hearts are unlimited, making it more likely he has 3, and you can find an 8 card fit at the 2 level.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 09:35

To those doubling to keep spades "in the picture", remember partner already failed to overcall or make a weak 2 jump. If he has any sort of moderately good hand, he probably would have bid spades already.

benlessard, on Jul 5 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

This hand is not awesome

Yeah, here's an awesome hand with hearts

AQJx
AKJxxxx
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Ax

Awesome means you're gonna miss game when either your a little lucky or partner has anything, and you might miss slam if the opponents are bidding with less than usual.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 09:50

Rob F, on Jul 6 2008, 08:35 AM, said:

Awesome means you're gonna miss game when either your a little lucky or partner has anything, and you might miss slam if the opponents are bidding with less than usual.

I dunno, sometimes I say awesome! if I can open.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 10:42

pclayton, on Jul 5 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

Wolff would say, "passing is too dangerous".

Yep, and I think he's right.

I like titles with a little Romanian humor, keep them coming Csaba.
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Posted 2008-July-06, 20:15

So what was the result Csaba. How many off doubles did your overcall go?
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