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♠ A8
♥ KT32
♦ T4
♣ KJT63
RHO opens 1♠. You double. The auction proceeds
(1♠) - X - (3♠!) - P
(4♠) - All Pass
Chose your lead
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Posted 2008-June-25, 18:51
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Posted 2008-June-25, 19:00
Low C
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 19:00
♦10
Here the lead from one of the kings feels unsafe.
We have the ♠A, and, given we only have 11HCP and opps stopped out of game, partner will have something. So the diamond seems both less risky than a round suit, and also attacking in the sense that we have some realistic hope of getting a diamond ruff.
Here the lead from one of the kings feels unsafe.
We have the ♠A, and, given we only have 11HCP and opps stopped out of game, partner will have something. So the diamond seems both less risky than a round suit, and also attacking in the sense that we have some realistic hope of getting a diamond ruff.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 19:17
I don't have a strong feeling about this lead; I usually go passive when any lead is reasonable, so diamond for me. Maybe I can get a ruff later..
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Posted 2008-June-25, 19:18
655321, on Jun 26 2008, 04:00 AM, said:
♦10
Here the lead from one of the kings feels unsafe.
We have the ♠A, and, given we only have 11HCP and opps stopped out of game, partner will have something. So the diamond seems both less risky than a round suit, and also attacking in the sense that we have some realistic hope of getting a diamond ruff.
Here the lead from one of the kings feels unsafe.
We have the ♠A, and, given we only have 11HCP and opps stopped out of game, partner will have something. So the diamond seems both less risky than a round suit, and also attacking in the sense that we have some realistic hope of getting a diamond ruff.
Sorry, had the auction wrong
Its been corrected
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Posted 2008-June-25, 19:24
OK, still a diamond.
I guess our chances of getting a diamond ruff are lower, but the danger attached to a lead from a King has increased, when we have most of our side's HCP and the strong hand on our right.
I guess our chances of getting a diamond ruff are lower, but the danger attached to a lead from a King has increased, when we have most of our side's HCP and the strong hand on our right.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 20:31
As the weak link, I could not be blamed for a diamond lead.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 21:18
I would lead a club, I am convinced it's right to be very aggressive against normal auctions. I don't hate a diamond because of the chance of getting a ruff, I hate just trying to be passive here in general though.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 21:58
Whether you lead the jack of clubs or the ten of diamonds is probably more a function of where you are from and who you have learned from than anything else. They are both fine. I will say that outside of north america I would expect the DT to be almost a routine lead.
There was a hand like this in the cavendish where I had choices of something like a doubleton, or a trump, or leading away from KJxxx after 1S p 2S p 4S. I chose to lead from KJxxx and was, I think, the ONLY person to do so. But when I talked to a lot of american experts they thought KJxxx was automatic.
Personally on power auctions I like to lead aggressively. However, I don't really consider this to be much of a power auction, and since dummy is likely to be weak with RHO strong, and since I have trump control, I prefer the DT in this case.
There was a hand like this in the cavendish where I had choices of something like a doubleton, or a trump, or leading away from KJxxx after 1S p 2S p 4S. I chose to lead from KJxxx and was, I think, the ONLY person to do so. But when I talked to a lot of american experts they thought KJxxx was automatic.
Personally on power auctions I like to lead aggressively. However, I don't really consider this to be much of a power auction, and since dummy is likely to be weak with RHO strong, and since I have trump control, I prefer the DT in this case.
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Posted 2008-June-25, 22:42
I don't have any strong feelings here. Anything but a trump (which is just TOO passive for me) could be fine.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 01:41
I know the fealing to be the weak link so I lead my weakest suit, diamonds.
BTW: I like Justins post about this.
And I believe that all LOLs in Germany lead from KJTxx and all so called experts from Tx.
BTW: I like Justins post about this.
And I believe that all LOLs in Germany lead from KJTxx and all so called experts from Tx.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 06:46
For what its worth, the club lead was the winner at the table. Partner can get in with the Ace of Clubs and shoot back a Heart before the opponents can do much of anything.
I was interested to see how many folks would choose some kind of active lead as opposed to a (passive) Diamond.
I was also wondering whether there would be any arguments regarding the merits of a low club as opposed to the Jack.
I was interested to see how many folks would choose some kind of active lead as opposed to a (passive) Diamond.
I was also wondering whether there would be any arguments regarding the merits of a low club as opposed to the Jack.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 06:53
I'd lead a trump. I'm not sure what a diamond is supposed to achieve, but it won't seem very passive if partner has Kxxx or Qxxx and the jack is in dummy.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-26, 07:58
hrothgar, on Jun 26 2008, 07:46 PM, said:
For what its worth, the club lead was the winner at the table. Partner can get in with the Ace of Clubs and shoot back a Heart before the opponents can do much of anything.
I was interested to see how many folks would choose some kind of active lead as opposed to a (passive) Diamond.
I was also wondering whether there would be any arguments regaridng the merits of a low club as opposed to the Jack.
I was interested to see how many folks would choose some kind of active lead as opposed to a (passive) Diamond.
I was also wondering whether there would be any arguments regaridng the merits of a low club as opposed to the Jack.
A low C lead is better Richard, as you are hoping for Q or A in partner's hand. On this auction there is not much point in leading C J or T as you are not making many C tricks anyway.
I didn't say this in my orginal post, but I think a D lead is quite poor. leads from Tx can cost a trick and to hope for a ruff here is futile imo.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 08:22
The_Hog, on Jun 26 2008, 10:58 PM, said:
A low C lead is better Richard, as you are hoping for Q or A in partner's hand. On this auction there is not much point in leading C J or T as you are not making many C tricks anyway.
I didn't say this in my orginal post, but I think a D lead is quite poor. leads from Tx can cost a trick and to hope for a ruff here is futile imo.
I didn't say this in my orginal post, but I think a D lead is quite poor. leads from Tx can cost a trick and to hope for a ruff here is futile imo.
I doubt that the low club is better then the jack. If we don't make many club tricks, why shouldn't we lead the normal card?
And I doubt that the diamond leaders do lead a diamond, because they would like to earn a ruff. At I least I choose it because I did not want to give declarer a free finesse in clubs or hearts. Obviosuly it can still backfire, but my hope is that it would not this time.
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Posted 2008-June-26, 14:24
hrothgar, on Jun 26 2008, 07:46 AM, said:
For what its worth, the club lead was the winner at the table. Partner can get in with the Ace of Clubs and shoot back a Heart before the opponents can do much of anything.
I was interested to see how many folks would choose some kind of active lead as opposed to a (passive) Diamond.
I was also wondering whether there would be any arguments regarding the merits of a low club as opposed to the Jack.
I was interested to see how many folks would choose some kind of active lead as opposed to a (passive) Diamond.
I was also wondering whether there would be any arguments regarding the merits of a low club as opposed to the Jack.
Well, actually a diamond lead can set the contract too. You just have a nasty defensive problem upon winning the ace of spades...you must shift to the jack of clubs with the queen in dummy, rather than a heart with xx in dummy or a passive diamond or trump.
As far as jack vs low the jack wins on layouts where dummy has the queen and partner has the ace like Qxx dummy and declarer has 9x, or if you are going to get endplayed later like decarer has AQ9 or something and wins the 9 then endplays you later. Low doesn't really cater to much of anything, except something like Q98x in declarer's hand and the ace with partner where the jack creates a ruffing finesse position. IMO the jack is much better than low, and you should pretty much always be leading the jack against suits from this holding (whereas in NT you might lead low to unblock the suit).
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Posted 2008-June-26, 16:38
Why did I double?
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2008-June-27, 04:10
hrothgar, on Jun 25 2008, 07:51 PM, said:
IMPs. Both White ♠ A8 ♥ KT32 ♦ T4 ♣ KJT63
World class opponents and team mates (In other words, you're the weak link)
RHO opens 1♠. You double. The auction proceeds
(1♠) - X - (3♠!) - P
(4♠) - All Pass
Chose your lead
World class opponents and team mates (In other words, you're the weak link)
RHO opens 1♠. You double. The auction proceeds
(1♠) - X - (3♠!) - P
(4♠) - All Pass
Chose your lead
Slight preference for passive lead because opponents seem to be stretching and strength is likely to be on your right.
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Posted 2008-June-27, 06:54
I'm having difficulty in reconstructing the entire deal. Can anyone post it, or tell me where to find it?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-June-27, 10:43
From memory, may be slightly inaccurate. At my table on a Diamond lead they did win the second spade rather than the first to get a signal from pard, but the signal was an ambiguous won so they played a heart.