[kfay]

Just kibbitzed this hand. What do you open with

♠AK1043
♥AKJ
♦AK763
♣

IMPs all white. World Class partner and opps.

[ArcLight]

Whats wrong with 2♣?

[TylerE]

If I was feeling really sick, Pass,

[inquiry]

I open 3♦.. either a heart preempt, or a strong two suiter with diamonds and one of the black suits. After partner makes his bid, I can then show a spade/diamond two suiter with 3 losers (the honest response) or with 2 losers needing no cover card in clubs (almost true).

Anyway, I will end up in at least 4♦ no matter what... somehow this will at least avoid the world record...

[pclayton]

2C. Seems I wont have much of a rebid problem.

[kfay]

Don't imagine I'll get many more responses. Harmon Edgar opened 1♠ with this hand, which was passed out.

1♠+6

I don't mean to call attention to what I thought was a terrible bid by a player who I obviously respect. I just thought this was taking an idea way too far. Was wondering if anyone shared his philosophy about strong 2-suiters.

[inquiry]

Strong two suiters are frequently opened one of a suit, becauae of the difficulty of dealing iwth the loss of bidding space if you open 2C. This is one reason I play misiry (outlined in my first post). However, without misiry, some strong two suited hands are just too darn strong to risk a one of a suit bid. This is one of those hands even for those who believe in opening in one of a suit with a stong hand.

[neilkaz]

With a very control rich 22 HCP the chances of passout are too much for 1♠, I'd instantly open 2♣ without the J of ♥.

Those that play Bergen (or other preemptive 3♠) have chances to be saved here as perhaps PD has junk with 4♠ and can bid 3.

Those that play 1NTF and constructive raises may be saved if PD has 3 trumps and 4 or a bad 5 hcp and starts with the forcing NT, which the intention of signing off in 2♠ hoping to steal the hand.

However, those are too many BIG if's for me to not open 2♣ instantly.

Passed out with a slam is a good possibility, and especially vs opps, that need something to balance and force to the 2 level.

[rogerclee]

World record in terms of playing strength? I think that ♠AQ ♥AKQTxxxxx ♦A ♣A hand from a team match I played in awhile ago is still the winner.

[jdonn]

inquiry, on May 29 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

Strong two suiters are frequently opened one of a suit, becauae of the difficulty of dealing iwth the loss of bidding space if you open 2C. This is one reason I play misiry (outlined in my first post). However, without misiry, some strong two suited hands are just too darn strong to risk a one of a suit bid. This is one of those hands even for those who believe in opening in one of a suit with a stong hand.

What auction would lead to that difficulty on this hand?

[TimG]

kfay, on May 29 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

1♠+6

I think he meant world record for over tricks, unless that '+6" means making six instead of six over tricks.

[blackshoe]

The correct answer to the original question is "it depends what system I'm playing."

[mike777]

kfay, on May 29 2008, 09:44 PM, said:

Just kibbitzed this hand.  What do you open with

♠AK1043
♥AKJ
♦AK763
♣

IMPs all white.   World Class partner and opps.

seriously.........i open 2c wtp.....too much only 3 losers.
the rest of the hand maybe but 2c=100% with any wc partner I play with.

If wc partner prefers i open one spade...npp....just tell me so I can file it.. ty.....
lol I only wish..wish this is the worst bid or play I ever make with a wc pard....

[655321]

hands like these are why I freed up a 2♣ opening in my system for game forcing hands.

But, I wouldn't worry too much about seeing somebody experiment with a 1♠ opening in a friendly online game - if you can't try stuff under those conditions, when can you?

[Free]

2♣ wtp

[P_Marlowe]

kfay, on May 29 2008, 10:04 PM, said:

Don't imagine I'll get many more responses. Harmon Edgar opened 1♠ with this hand, which was passed out.

1♠+6

I don't mean to call attention to what I thought was a terrible bid by a player who I obviously respect. I just thought this was taking an idea way too far. Was wondering if anyone shared his philosophy about strong 2-suiters.

was he playing 2/1 with forcing 1NT and constructive
raises?

If he did, the bid is not completly out of this world,
because partner will bid, if he holds 4HCP and a spade
fit, but it is risky.

With kind regads
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

I open a lot of these hands at the 1-level.
I'm slowly being trained out of it after scoring 1C+5, but without that how could I have had the amusement on another hand of being protected out of 1D into a making slam?

[gwnn]

lots of 2m+5 (13 tricks, sigh) in lower level play. and 1NT+6 does happen sometimes.

I don't like passing 1M with a sexy 3 or 4 count particularly NV. That said, this does (barely) look like a bit thick for 1♠.

[barmar]

While two-suiters can often be difficult to bid after a 2♣ opening, this particular combination of suits doesn't look like it will have rebid problems to show both suits. The only potential problem is if the pesky opponents stick in a ♣ preempt, but you can deal with this with a NT rebidt showing a 2-suiter.