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Poll: what do you bid? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

what do you bid?

  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. double (22 votes [88.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 88.00%

  3. 3NT (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  4. 4 diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4NT (1 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  6. other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2008-May-18, 05:48

Scoring: MP

W - N - E - S
3-ps-ps-??

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Posted 2008-May-18, 07:21

X looks normal. 3NT is a good alternative bid.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 07:53

3NT for me.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:19

3 suited hand: check.
Short spades: check.
enough values to bid: check.

I don't understand why this is not a textbook X.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 08:42

textbook Dbl wtp :P
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Posted 2008-May-18, 10:44

Sorry I'm going to say it. 3NT is idiotic.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 11:05

Jlall, on May 18 2008, 09:19 AM, said:

3 suited hand: check.
Short spades: check.
enough values to bid: check.

I don't understand why this is not a textbook X.

check !
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Posted 2008-May-18, 14:53

3NT is clearly idiotic.

But, I bid it anyway. It always makes. It never should. But, it does.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 18:39

To the 3N bidders (or 4N):

You might get a spade lead and win your dry King. How clever of you. If pard fits either of these minors and gives you a source of tricks for NT, you probably have 6 of a minor.

If RHO leads an off-suit which he should anyway, you have to work pretty hard for 9 tricks.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 21:32

Heck. I bid 3NT with almost the exact same hand once with a small stiff in spades. I had only eight tricks off the top and had to give up a trick in a side suit to LHO late in the hand to establish the ninth trick, which worked. They still did not lead spades.
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Posted 2008-May-18, 23:48

kenrexford, on May 18 2008, 10:32 PM, said:

Heck. I bid 3NT with almost the exact same hand once with a small stiff in spades. I had only eight tricks off the top and had to give up a trick in a side suit to LHO late in the hand to establish the ninth trick, which worked. They still did not lead spades.

Maybe you were playing one of the 99.9% (or just 99%) weak pairs on BBO at the time.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 02:24

X of course.


I think that a 3Nt bid with confidence is as good as a X. However i dont usually use the bag of tricks when i have a perfect bid available. Also when i have 2 close decisions that i believe to be equals i tend to follow the field unless im in a very big events.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 17:31

Good guess Phil, indeed 6m was better than 3NT. But 4 was the worst of all.


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Posted 2008-May-19, 17:32

Isn't 4H just cold? edit: nm forgot it was MP ok.
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Posted 2008-May-19, 20:14

Not exactly accurate.

The claim was the "6m" is better than 3NT. 6 has problems after spade Ace, spade Queen, a likely defense.. :P

True, that same defense will also beat 3NT, to death. But, it will not happen.

Plus, I doubt that 6 is reached after a double.

So, I think the idiot bid actually wins. B)
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Posted 2008-May-19, 23:18

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Good guess Phil, indeed 6m was better than 3NT.


Saying that 6m is better or might be better then 3Nt is a bit pointless. I have 21 points in my hand so im not expecting partner to be strong enough to make a slam try or to leap to 5m. So in practical term there is no road that lead to 6m.
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