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Prove me wrong

Poll: Over 5C (61 member(s) have cast votes)

Over 5C

  1. Double (36 votes [59.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.02%

  2. 5 Spades (21 votes [34.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.43%

  3. I would have bid 4S the first time (4 votes [6.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.56%

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#61 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2008-April-30, 18:38

I polled the following people:

Mary Lou Barker (Wichita, KS) - "Pass. I really never know what to do in these situations. I pay my partner to make these decisions."

Billy Joe Staghorn (Waco, TX) - "6. I won't let these varmints scare me off my slam. They'll soon be running for the hills."

Anonymous Pro (Chicago, IL) - "Double. The opponents always drop an extra trick where I play. Why take a chance?"

Steve Sion (Location unknown) - "7. Partner has the A and four-card support. WTP?"

John C. Reilly, Esq. (Detroit, MI) - "Clear 25 second pause then double. Partner usually gets the drift by then on what to do."


I consider these results will settle the matter.
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#62 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-April-30, 18:44

Steve Sion? Never heard of.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2008-April-30, 19:29

pclayton, on Apr 30 2008, 07:29 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 30 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

pclayton, on Apr 30 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

Sergey: 5. He's intending this as a STRONG 5 hand. He passes 5.

While we're at this, can you ask him what a 5 bid that doesn't qualify for this special strong treatment looks like?

He just told me AKJxxxx KJx AKQ v. Consistent with my (edited) comment above that 5 shows some willingness for diamonds.

What the, this hand is stronger than the one under discussion! Does 5 show a STRONG 5 bid as he said, or willingness for diamonds, or both at once, or he's making this up as he goes along, or he doesn't know what the word "strong" means, or......my head is spinning. This is your backup source?

There is only one possible reason to bid 5. You want to win the post mortem.
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Posted 2008-April-30, 19:34

jdonn, on Apr 30 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

What the, this hand is stronger than the one under discussion! Does 5 show a STRONG 5 bid as he said, or willingness for diamonds, or both at once...,

Yes.
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#65 User is offline   TimG 

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Posted 2008-April-30, 19:59

pclayton, on Apr 30 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 30 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

What the, this hand is stronger than the one under discussion! Does 5 show a STRONG 5 bid as he said, or willingness for diamonds, or both at once...,

Yes.

Wouldn't 5 show a willingness for diamonds?
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Posted 2008-April-30, 20:02

TimG, on Apr 30 2008, 06:59 PM, said:

pclayton, on Apr 30 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 30 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

What the, this hand is stronger than the one under discussion! Does 5 show a STRONG 5 bid as he said, or willingness for diamonds, or both at once...,

Yes.

Wouldn't 5 show a willingness for diamonds?

Yeah, but it wouldn't say a whole lot about spades.
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#67 User is offline   TimG 

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Posted 2008-April-30, 20:56

rogerclee, on Apr 30 2008, 09:02 PM, said:

TimG, on Apr 30 2008, 06:59 PM, said:

pclayton, on Apr 30 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

jdonn, on Apr 30 2008, 05:29 PM, said:

What the, this hand is stronger than the one under discussion! Does 5 show a STRONG 5 bid as he said, or willingness for diamonds, or both at once...,

Yes.

Wouldn't 5 show a willingness for diamonds?

Yeah, but it wouldn't say a whole lot about spades.

Ahh, right. Was confused...forgot we didn't show spades on the last round!
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Posted 2008-May-01, 03:31

Jlall, on May 1 2008, 12:58 AM, said:

If you have so many great people to ask and give no weight to the forum then why do you post this hand on the forums?

because forum readers might be interested to see it?
I think it's an interesting hand.

I gave this to my husband (another good expert to refer to!) and he bid 5S, saying that partner was likely to be (434)2 and it should be making. But he said he would double if Malinowski were on his right.
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Posted 2008-May-06, 10:55

I put this hand on a Dutch forum. Only one player doubles. Four others bid 6C, noting that they would like to bid 5H as a slam try in spades but think that could lead to a misunderstanding. They think it is a difficult choice between 5S and 6C

They also think that 5NT and 6C both show the unbid suits but 5NT stresses diamonds while 6C stresses spades.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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#70 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2008-May-26, 20:03

This problem found its way to Bob Hamman.

He hates double and feels like 5 will make often enough for it to be right. He thinks that pard will have spade or diamond length.

I consider this matter closed.
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Posted 2008-May-26, 22:37

pclayton, on May 26 2008, 09:03 PM, said:

This problem found its way to Bob Hamman.

He hates double and feels like 5 will make often enough for it to be right. He thinks that pard will have spade or diamond length.

I consider this matter closed.

LOL you came bac weeks later to announce hamman agrees with you so the matter is closed. What is with you in this thread!

Edit: Just mentioning I did post this before seeing you/jlall in other thread. Entertainment is on tap for tonight!
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Posted 2008-May-27, 04:49

hamman pwnz joo!!
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