BBO Discussion Forums: Opening Lead - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Opening Lead

#1 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2008-April-11, 08:48

Playing in an ACBL IMP pairs game on BBO, you pick up:

Scoring: XIMP

P - (P) - 2♥* - (x)
P - 3NT - All Pass


* Not everyone's cup of tea, but in IMP pairs, especially at favorable vul, you have to push your opponents around when you can.

So, you are on lead. What is your choice?
0

#2 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,725
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2008-April-11, 08:51

Low Diamond
Alderaan delenda est
0

#3 User is offline   Apollo81 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,162
  • Joined: 2006-July-10
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Maryland

Posted 2008-April-11, 09:01

low diamond
0

#4 User is offline   OleBerg 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,950
  • Joined: 2008-April-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Copenhagen
  • Interests:Model-Railways.

Posted 2008-April-11, 09:35

High diamond, the 8 making the difference to me.

2♥ is crazy. I would have bid it myself.

Best Regards

Ole Berg
_____________________________________

Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.

Best Regards Ole Berg

_____________________________________

We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

Gnasher
0

#5 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2008-April-11, 10:14

Why do we need the bidding lesson? A simple "if you don't like it too bad for you" would suffice.

I'll go queen of diamonds.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#6 User is offline   kenrexford 

  • Brain Farts and Actual Farts Increasing with Age
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,586
  • Joined: 2005-September-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lima, Allen County, North-West-Central Ohio, USA
  • Interests:www.limadbc.blogspot.com editor/contributor

Posted 2008-April-11, 10:41

Spade Jack.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

-P.J. Painter.
0

#7 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2008-April-11, 11:20

jdonn, on Apr 11 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

Why do we need the bidding lesson? A simple "if you don't like it too bad for you" would suffice.

I'll go queen of diamonds.

IMO, using the phrase that you suggest is in bad taste. I expressed my opinion of IMP pair tactics. You are free to agree or disagree as you wish, but at least don't be disagreeable about it. B)
0

#8 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2008-April-11, 11:36

True, it's more polite to say in different words "If you don't like it you are wrong since it's right for this reason." Nothing is in better taste than unsolicited lessons. How much do we owe you B)

Ken I would never lead it, but I have this gut feeling the spade jack is going to be the winning lead this time. So I'm very bitter you chose it.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#9 User is offline   Halo 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 875
  • Joined: 2006-June-08

Posted 2008-April-11, 12:03

Small diamond.

I can see the advantages of leading the queen, but I'd be worried that partner may do the wrong thing by misreading my holding.
0

#10 User is offline   skjaeran 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,727
  • Joined: 2006-June-05
  • Location:Oslo, Norway
  • Interests:Bridge, sports, Sci-fi, fantasy

Posted 2008-April-11, 12:45

Always a diamond here for me - my regular partner would kill me if I lead something else. I'd go for the queen.
Kind regards,
Harald
0

#11 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2008-April-11, 14:14

It is funny that almost everyone agrees that the right lead is a diamond, whether high or low. Ken leads the ♠J, and Josh says that he won't do it, but strongly suspects that it is the winning lead on this hand.

And so it is:

Scoring: XIMP


A spade lead produces 5 immediate tricks, while a club or heart lead gives declarer a slow, lingering death.

I led a low diamond.

I have to admit that I would have opened either 1♠ or 2♠ on my partner's hand, but there are plenty of players who would pass.
0

#12 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2008-April-11, 14:23

If I had passed as dealer then I would bid 2♠ after 2♥ X. I refuse to let the suit go unbid altogether if I can help it.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#13 User is offline   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,520
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2008-April-11, 14:26

skaeran, on Apr 11 2008, 12:45 PM, said:

Always a diamond here for me - my regular partner would kill me if I lead something else. I'd go for the queen.

Wow, and you are still alive! You and your partner must be very well in tune, then.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#14 User is offline   kenrexford 

  • Brain Farts and Actual Farts Increasing with Age
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,586
  • Joined: 2005-September-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lima, Allen County, North-West-Central Ohio, USA
  • Interests:www.limadbc.blogspot.com editor/contributor

Posted 2008-April-11, 15:19

Brilliance is often rewarded. :)
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

-P.J. Painter.
0

#15 User is online   mike777 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 18,164
  • Joined: 2003-October-07
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2008-April-11, 18:50

kenrexford, on Apr 11 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

Brilliance is often rewarded.   :)

Well non brilliance here


I passed in third seat........and bidding went against two wc or super exp.

p=p=p=1nt
2s=3nt=pppp

1) I was shocked pard did not open one spade, Justin just talked about this hand type last week.
2) But he found the K of s lead somehow :P I was squeezed on spades and clubs
0

#16 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2008-April-11, 21:44

An odd hand. I certainly would have bid S at some stage. On the given auction I would definitely lead a D, though as Josh I suspected that S was the winning lead. And finally I think the 2H opening sucks regardless of any form of scoring.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#17 User is offline   skjaeran 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,727
  • Joined: 2006-June-05
  • Location:Oslo, Norway
  • Interests:Bridge, sports, Sci-fi, fantasy

Posted 2008-April-12, 00:09

cherdano, on Apr 11 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

skaeran, on Apr 11 2008, 12:45 PM, said:

Always a diamond here for me - my regular partner would kill me if I lead something else. I'd go for the queen.

Wow, and you are still alive! You and your partner must be very well in tune, then.

Sure. My partner would never hold that north hand on this auction.
Kind regards,
Harald
0

#18 User is offline   OleBerg 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,950
  • Joined: 2008-April-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Copenhagen
  • Interests:Model-Railways.

Posted 2008-April-12, 01:21

ArtK78, on Apr 11 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

It is funny that almost everyone agrees that the right lead is a diamond, whether high or low. Ken leads the ♠J, and Josh says that he won't do it, but strongly suspects that it is the winning lead on this hand.

And so it is:

Scoring: XIMP


A spade lead produces 5 immediate tricks, while a club or heart lead gives declarer a slow, lingering death.

I led a low diamond.

I have to admit that I would have opened either 1♠ or 2♠ on my partner's hand, but there are plenty of players who would pass.

Call the director!

Someone has removed, not only partners spade-cards from his bidding -box, but all his double-cards as well.

Best Regards

Ole Berg
_____________________________________

Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.

Best Regards Ole Berg

_____________________________________

We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

Gnasher
0

#19 User is offline   kgr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,464
  • Joined: 2003-April-11

Posted 2008-April-12, 04:00

OleBerg, on Apr 12 2008, 09:21 AM, said:

Someone has removed, not only partners spade-cards from his bidding -box, but all his double-cards as well.

What lead would DBL of 3NT asks? For me it would say I have Hx in Hearts and asks for a small H lead.
Bridge Single Dummy Program: https://github.com/k...eDummy/releases
0

#20 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,483
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2008-April-12, 04:55

There's also the minor point that LHO doesn't have a double of 2H, and RHO doesn't have a 3NT bid. Or was the double alerted as penalties?
0
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users