[deep]

Sistem natural 4°Major

South bid 1♥  West pass   North2♦   East pass
South 3♣   West pass   North3♠  East pass
South 3NT   West pass   North 4♠  East pass
South now what bid with this cards????

Scoring: MP

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Ty at all that help me

[whereagles]

Pard should have some 6-5. You now bid 4NT and, if all keys are there, follow-up with 7♠.

[Fluffy]

I have no clue what is going on, bid 5 spades so partner finally shows what he wants.

[Mud Reelo]

Partner is clearly 5x6x. I have a monster hand apart from the missing aces. I would love to bid 4NT as whatever Blackwood variant we're playing. But unfortunately 4NT is natural here.

Therefore I'm bidding 5♣ as a cuebid (it can't be natural since I didn't bid 4♣ over 3♠)

If pard cuebids 5♦, I ask for aces with 5NT, else I just jump to 6♠

[nige1]

Mud Reelo, on Apr 2 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

Partner is clearly 5x6x. I have a monster hand apart from the missing aces. I would love to bid 4NT as whatever Blackwood variant we're playing. But unfortunately 4NT is natural here.

Therefore I'm bidding 5♣ as a cuebid (it can't be natural since I didn't bid 4♣ over 3♠)

If pard cuebids 5♦, I ask for aces with 5NT, else I just jump to 6♠

IMO 6♠ = 10, 5♠ = 9, 5♣ = 8, 4N = 7, 6N = 4
Our pointed kings are golden cards and 6♠ seems a practical bid, provided partner takes into account our previous bidding. Mud Reelo seems right that 5♣ should be a cue-bid but I would not be as confident as he is as to how to proceed. I'm also unsure whether 4N is naturall. RKCB is an alternative interpretation, although it may not help us to evalulate partner's void(s).

[han]

Agree that 4NT is natural here, I would bid 6S.

[hrothgar]

For what its worth

1. It would be useful to understand whether 3♣ promised extras

2. I agree that 4NT is natural

3. I definitely want to be in slam. 6♠ is probably the most practical bid, and I'd almost certianly bid 6♠ is anything but a very frim partnership

4. I agree that 5♣ should be a cue bid, however, its unclear whether a 5NT rebid by responder is Blackwood. I would expect that

5♦ shows a Diamond control
5♥ is something like last train
5♠ (presumably) denies a Diamond control and shows a minimum for the bidding so far
5NT is hard to imagine... Can partner really be cooperating with a try for 7 missing the King of Diamonds, the King of Spades, and two bullets?

I think that its more important to be able to focus on the quality of the trump support rather than the number of bullets

[han]

How about 5D to play Richard?

[deep]

Mud Reelo, on Apr 2 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

Partner is clearly 5x6x. I have a monster hand apart from the missing aces. I would love to bid 4NT as whatever Blackwood variant we're playing. But unfortunately 4NT is natural here.

Therefore I'm bidding 5♣ as a cuebid (it can't be natural since I didn't bid 4♣ over 3♠)

If pard cuebids 5♦, I ask for aces with 5NT, else I just jump to 6♠

If i bid 5c i not understand how North could understand that i've ♠ for him?

[mikeh]

deep, on Apr 2 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

Mud Reelo, on Apr 2 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

Partner is clearly 5x6x. I have a monster hand apart from the missing aces. I would love to bid 4NT as whatever Blackwood variant we're playing. But unfortunately 4NT is natural here.

Therefore I'm bidding 5♣ as a cuebid (it can't be natural since I didn't bid 4♣ over 3♠)

If pard cuebids 5♦, I ask for aces with 5NT, else I just jump to 6♠

If i bid 5c i not understand how North could understand that i've ♠ for him?

You cannot be trying to play in 5♣... for several reasons.

1. You bid 3N, not 4♣

2. 4N would be natural here in any intelligent method....

3. he has shown at least 11 cards in his suits (with diamonds longer than spades and at least 5 spades) so he cannot have a hand in which 5♣ makes any sense at all as natural

So 5♣ HAS to be a cue-bid.

Now, I suppose it could be in support of diamonds, but I don't think you should be bidding 3N with any 1=5=3=4 shape... if partner wanted to be in 3N opposite that hand, he should bid it himself. So you can't really have 3 diamonds... but you certainly can have 3♠... you had no reason to expect an 8 card fit when he bid 3♠ (in expert methods, 3♠ need not even be a real suit), so you couldn't raise spades earlier.

Therefore bridge logic dictates that 5♣ is a cuebid in support of spades, and it is an ideal hand for the method.

If I couldn't bid 5♣ (which I could with any regular partner of mine... they'd all understand it), I'd guess via 6♠.

[deep]

mikeh, on Apr 2 2008, 03:07 PM, said:

deep, on Apr 2 2008, 02:59 PM, said:

Mud Reelo, on Apr 2 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

Partner is clearly 5x6x. I have a monster hand apart from the missing aces. I would love to bid 4NT as whatever Blackwood variant we're playing. But unfortunately 4NT is natural here.

Therefore I'm bidding 5♣ as a cuebid (it can't be natural since I didn't bid 4♣ over 3♠)

If pard cuebids 5♦, I ask for aces with 5NT, else I just jump to 6♠

If i bid 5c i not understand how North could understand that i've ♠ for him?

You cannot be trying to play in 5♣... for several reasons.

1. You bid 3N, not 4♣

2. 4N would be natural here in any intelligent method....

3. he has shown at least 11 cards in his suits (with diamonds longer than spades and at least 5 spades) so he cannot have a hand in which 5♣ makes any sense at all as natural

So 5♣ HAS to be a cue-bid.

Now, I suppose it could be in support of diamonds, but I don't think you should be bidding 3N with any 1=5=3=4 shape... if partner wanted to be in 3N opposite that hand, he should bid it himself. So you can't really have 3 diamonds... but you certainly can have 3♠... you had no reason to expect an 8 card fit when he bid 3♠ (in expert methods, 3♠ need not even be a real suit), so you couldn't raise spades earlier.

Therefore bridge logic dictates that 5♣ is a cuebid in support of spades, and it is an ideal hand for the method.

If I couldn't bid 5♣ (which I could with any regular partner of mine... they'd all understand it), I'd guess via 6♠.

Now understand why 5c. Ty for your patience i speak very bad english but i try!!!
I resume your bid for be sure that i understand well your english :
after 4♠ of north
South bid 5♣ cue bid
OK?
You very kinde! I learning for bid better and this for me is quiz for school.