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Hand Evaluation

Poll: Your action? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Your action?

  1. Pass (1 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  2. 4C (5 votes [18.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

  3. 5C (21 votes [77.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.78%

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#1 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2008-April-02, 03:15

Matchpoints, Red vs White, Third Seat

♠xxx ♥JTxx ♦KTx ♣Qxx

1♣ - (1♠) - P - (2♥)
3♦ - (3♥) - ?
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Posted 2008-April-02, 03:26

♦ AQ ♣ AK is only 13 hcp.

Partner will have this much at the very least and at least six clubs and probably five or more diamonds - I can't actually imagine a hand without five diamonds bidding this way.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 03:43

Obvious 5♣ bid. If pard has more shape than strength, they're cold for 4M. I think the real problem will come if they bid 5M....
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Posted 2008-April-02, 04:06

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Posted 2008-April-02, 04:08

Cascade, on Apr 2 2008, 02:26 AM, said:

I can't actually imagine a hand without five diamonds bidding this way.

This is really the point, I think. I wasn't sure at the table if partner had to be 6-5 to bid this way.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 04:57

I might make a cuebid, if that didn't show diamonds instead of clubs, 5 clubs and I think I am getting short.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 05:00

Cascade, on Apr 2 2008, 09:26 AM, said:

I can't actually imagine a hand without five diamonds bidding this way.

1 ♣ denies 5 diamond for me, I can only imagine hands without 5 diamonds :)
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Posted 2008-April-02, 05:32

I would probably bid 4♥. The only risk is that partner will think that I had a penalty pass of 1♠.

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Posted 2008-April-02, 05:35

Disenfranchised again. I don't think 5♣ is enough with this. Partner could easily have Ax - AQJxx AKJxxx or similar. I bid 3♠ followed by 5♣, to show a strong raise. 3♠ can't promise spade control, because I didn't bid 1NT.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 06:31

I think this really depends on your methods after 2 ♥.
What had X been? What 2 NT?
Maybe X was 4144?
2 NT 6+4+?

Then pd has surely 5 Diamonds and 6+ Clubs and a 5 Club bid is it.

What if he plays a kind of good/bad 2 NT? Then 3 ♦ had shown a lesser hand then 2 NT with the same shape. In this case you should be more careful. (But this approach is surely not common treatment in this situation).

Obvoisuly everybody knows that his pd had bid 2 NT with any 6/4 or even 5/4 hand, so 5 Club is clear cut.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 06:56

5 happy clubs.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 08:15

5♣ is fine, but 4♥ may send the right message too if we have 6.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 08:18

You hold:

x
A
AQJx
AKJ10xxx

the auction starts

1C (1S) P (2H)
?
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Posted 2008-April-02, 08:23

FrancesHinden, on Apr 2 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

You hold:

x
A
AQJx
AKJ10xxx

the auction starts

1C (1S) P (2H)
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I would cue 3♥. 3♦ is non-forcing IMO.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 08:52

With 4-6 or 4-7 opener would bid double or bid 2NT. I think 2NT shows a more offensive hand.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-02, 09:48

FrancesHinden, on Apr 2 2008, 09:18 AM, said:

You hold:

x
A
AQJx
AKJ10xxx

the auction starts

1C (1S) P (2H)
?

I agree (I think I am agreeing) that this is a hand that might well choose 3♦. There would seem to be a LOT of bidding by the opps on a combined 15 count, but that happens.

However, 5♣ by partner should allow this hand to bid slam with confidence... partner clearly has a hand that has grown up after our 3♦ call.. it would astound me if he didn't have the diamond King... he might not have the club Q, but he'll have xxxx or better if he doesn't.

As for Fluffy, whose partner can't have 5 diamonds, all I can say is 'wow'. While freaks are rare, why not allow oneself at least a chance of showing one's shape?

x void Axxxx AKJxxxx... you really mean you HAVE to open 1♦??
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Posted 2008-April-02, 09:55

rogerclee, on Apr 2 2008, 04:15 AM, said:

Matchpoints, Red vs White, Third Seat ♠xxx ♥JTxx ♦KTx ♣Qxx
1♣ - (1♠) - P - (2♥)
3♦ - (3♥) - ?

IMO 5♣ = 10, 3♠ = 6, 4♣ = 4.
5♣ seems the simple practical bid. IMO 3♠ would show a stronger hand like
♠ x ♥ xxx ♦Kxxxxx ♣Kxx

I agree with Frances that partner is likely to have a limited 6-5 (non-forcing). With
- 5-4, he might bid X,
- 6-4, he might bid 3N.
- a mountain, he could cue-bid 3♠.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:08

I agree with the 5C call.

I was just (trying to) come up with a hand that bids 3D without 5 of them. Anyway, I'm glad someone has already mentioned that 3D isn't forcing. Join the ranks of the limit bidders!

I had a hand a while ago which unfortunately I can't entirely remember but partner bid 4D on this type of auction (1C 1S P 3S 4D I think) with 4-7 in the minors including AKQx of diamonds.
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:40

5♣ and I feel like I'm underbidding. I want to bid 4NT if it were what I want it to be (you know what I mean.)
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Posted 2008-April-02, 10:47

Agree that partner could be 4-7, I would bid 5♣ now and I think that's fairly clear. It is true that we might bid it on a slightly weaker hand but cuebidding suggests more.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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