[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

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(1♠)-DBL-(4♠)-4NT
(Pass)-5♣-(5♥)-Pass
(5♠)-Pass-(Pass)-???
- - - -
- Do you agree with 4NT and Pass?
- Is partners pass forcing?
- What do you bid now?

[655321]

(1) Agree with 4NT, would probably double instead of Pass over 5♥.
(2) Pass is not forcing
(3) Double. This is not clear, but I don't expect to make anything at the 6 level - partner's bidding is consistent with a minimum takeout double. Therefore, if we bid 6♣ it is to save. I am not willing to do this - I expect them to go down fairly often - so double it is for me. Of course, sometimes they make 5♠

[helene_t]

Agree with 655321.

[rogerclee]

655321, on Mar 16 2008, 04:42 PM, said:

(1) Agree with 4NT, would probably double instead of Pass over 5♥.
(2) Pass is not forcing
(3) Double.  This is not clear, but I don't expect to make anything at the 6 level - partner's bidding is consistent with a minimum takeout double.  Therefore, if we bid 6♣ it is to save.  I am not willing to do this - I expect them to go down fairly often - so double it is for me.  Of course, sometimes they make 5♠ 

I agree with all this, except I'd saw off 5♠ a little more happily .

[655321]

rogerclee, on Mar 16 2008, 07:30 PM, said:

I agree with all this, except I'd saw off 5♠ a little more happily .

Ah, Roger, that might be because you are still a callous youth.

[han]

I also double. Unfortunately partner's double is not forcing so the pass is not a suggestion of bidding more.

(I mean, with this hand it would have been nice if partner suggested bidding more, I don't mean that I wish we'd play forcing passes in this auction white against red)

[helene_t]

You mean partner's pass is not forcing, don't you Han?

[bid_em_up]

1) Do you agree with 4NT and Pass? Yes to 4N. No to pass, double 5H instead.

2) Is partners pass forcing? No. How could it be? We forced partner to pick a minor, he has no idea if we are bidding to make or are sacrificing.

3) What do you bid now? Double, but not happy about it.

[P_Marlowe]

a) yes, 4NT followed by Pass
bB) certainly not
c) Pass, be happy to have pushed them
one level higher
Given your void, you may just have a
8 card fit, ... just look at some of the
wonderfull off shape t/o with bal. shape.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cascade]

Jlall, on Mar 18 2008, 01:46 AM, said:

Would not occur to me to X.

I mean, I wouldn't even X 6...

What tricks do people expect to take?

Me neither.

I can't think of a hand where I would want to make a penalty double with a void - well actually once I made one after a Stayman auction and I had some side tricks.

[whereagles]

kgr, on Mar 16 2008, 11:26 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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(1♠)-DBL-(4♠)-4NT
(Pass)-5♣-(5♥)-Pass
(5♠)-Pass-(Pass)-???
- - - -
- Do you agree with 4NT and Pass?
- Is partners pass forcing?
- What do you bid now?

1. Agree with 4NT, don't agree with pass. Prefer dbl because I was intending to pass 5♣ and dbl says "I don't wanna be in slam".

2. If our pass was forcing, yes. Else no.

3. Since I don't seem to have good agreements on this sequence, I'll just bid 6♣.

[gwnn]

clearest pass in the history of green cards.

[skjaeran]

Pass, easy IMO. Parnter's got a minimum t/o double. They can easily make this. But will go down a part of the time. Saving at the 6-level is ridiculous.

[kgr]

Sorry, I don't remember the exact hands:

Scoring: IMP

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I felt happy with the initial responses, but then came some experts suggesting that DBL was not good and even a suggestion for 6♣
I DBL'ed 5♠ and partner did lead a small ♣. Opps did make 5♠X +1.
6♣ would have gone -1 or -2.

[Cascade]

kgr, on Mar 18 2008, 11:29 AM, said:

Sorry, I don't remember the exact hands:

Scoring: IMP

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I felt happy with the initial responses, but then came some experts suggesting that DBL was not good and even a suggestion for 6♣
I DBL'ed 5♠ and partner did lead a small ♣. Opps did make 5♠X +1.
6♣ would have gone -1 or -2.

We have 12 spades and 14 hearts in this deck.

Under such conditions defending 5♠X+1 is not such a bad score.

[kgr]

Cascade, on Mar 18 2008, 12:58 AM, said:

kgr, on Mar 18 2008, 11:29 AM, said:

Sorry, I don't remember the exact hands:

Dealer: West Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP

♠ Qx ♥ KQTx ♦ AJx ♣ Qxxx ♠ Axxxx ♥   ♦ Qxxx ♣ AKxx ♠ KJxxx ♥ Jxxxxxx ♦ x ♣   ♠   ♥ Axx ♦ Kxxxx ♣ Jxxxx

I felt happy with the initial responses, but then came some experts suggesting that DBL was not good and even a suggestion for 6♣ 
I DBL'ed 5♠ and partner did lead a small ♣. Opps did make 5♠X +1.
6♣ would have gone -1 or -2.

We have 12 spades and 14 hearts in this deck.

Under such conditions defending 5♠X+1 is not such a bad score.

I told you I don't remember the exact hand.
...I'm fairly sure that LHO had a 6 card ♠
(Maybe Free also played this hand and knows the exact hand)

[655321]

Jlall, on Mar 17 2008, 07:46 AM, said:

Would not occur to me to X.

I mean, I wouldn't even X 6...

What tricks do people expect to take?

LOL, OK I am not proud of my double.

Well, perhaps if I had doubled 5♥ I could pass 5♠ with a clear conscience, having bid all of my values.  Although doubling 5♥ comes with some risk too, I suppose, partner might now be tempted to double 5♠ instead.

[jdeegan]

6♣
To me this is a LOTT calculation. They have 11 spades. We have 9 clubs. I am looking at a void. We have a secondary 8 card diamond fit. All this adds up to 22 tricks. Of course, the LOTT doesn't always pan out, and bidding 6♣ will not always win, but any other bid violates the LOTT, and 6♣ should be the winning percentage bid.