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Strong 6-4

Poll: K 94 AKJ752 AK32, both vulnerable, IMPs. You open 1[CL] and partner responds 1[SP]. What do you bid? (43 member(s) have cast votes)

K 94 AKJ752 AK32, both vulnerable, IMPs. You open 1[CL] and partner responds 1[SP]. What do you bid?

  1. 2[CL] (26 votes [60.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.47%

  2. 2[DI] (2 votes [4.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.65%

  3. 3[CL] (13 votes [30.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.23%

  4. 3[DI] (2 votes [4.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.65%

  5. 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 4NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2008-March-14, 07:06

Assume that you're not playing anything clever.

Edit: I didn't realise that the suit symbols wouldn't come out in the poll, but I expect it's obvious what the options are supposed to be.

Further edit: Sorry, you opened 1♦, not 1♣. Partner did respond 1♠, so I did manage to get something right.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-March-14, 08:44

This hand is a classic 1♦ followed by 2♣ followed by 3♦. 6-4, good hand, good suits, not enough to force to game.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 08:54

Close to a gameforce but I would rebid 2C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-March-14, 08:58

This depends a lot on partner's advancing style.

I consider this a minimum GF and would respond 3♣. If partner had advanced 1♥ I'd devalue my King of Spades much more and would only rebid 2♣.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 09:14

I liked the 1C start, then I could canapé reverse into diamonds.

I don't really know where this is headed, so will go slowly with 2C for the moment -- there should be time to catch up later.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 09:15

I'd rebid 2C
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Posted 2008-March-14, 09:57

I would bid 3♣ since we're red at IMPs. Feels wrong, but I don't think I've adequately described my hand strength if I bid 2♣, then 3♦.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 13:19

2♣ for me.

Too strong for 2♦, not strong enough for 3♣. About right for 3♦ but I am not going to make that bid without introducing my second suit.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 14:56

Often overbidding to GF helps you to bid your shape. Here it seems the opposite, after 1D 1S 3C 3D (likely), I am kind of endplayed into bidding 4♦ and lose 3N (which could still be the best game). But after 1D 1S 2C 2S 3D we have given a good picture (even though not the full value) of our hand, and partner will bid 3N when that is right.
This makes me lean towards 2C, even though I think the hand is worth a GF.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 15:46

cherdano, on Mar 14 2008, 09:56 PM, said:

after 1D 1S 3C 3D (likely), I am kind of endplayed into bidding 4♦ and lose 3N (which could still be the best game).

I'm sorry if I'm starting to sound like a parrot, but after 1♦-1♠; 3♣-3♦, some of us would be able to bid 3♥, Fourth Suit Forcing.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-March-14, 15:56

I would bid 2♣ but I consider it very close.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 18:00

I remember Fred once said that you should only GF if you can control your auction and know what to do next. Here I don't know what my next rebid will be , and so I decide to take the slow approach with 2C.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 18:06

:) 3♦
I really don't understand any other bid. 3♦ alerts partner to game possibilities plus provides a suitable stopping place for a part score if he is weak. I would rather make an overbid of 3♣ hoping pard has extras or (God forbid) some sort of fit, than 2♣. Are we interested in a club game?
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Posted 2008-March-14, 18:45

2♣ for me. At least (when it doesn't go all pass) we should be able to describe our 6-4.
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Posted 2008-March-14, 21:03

Easy 2C for me. But im glad i aint playing standard for serious imps bridge.
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Posted 2008-March-15, 00:01

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K_94_AKJ752_AK32, both vulnerable, IMPs. You open 1♦ and partner responds 1♠. What do you bid?


Darn close between 2C and 3C.

Basically it boils down to whether this hand is odds on to be upgraded to a 5 loser hand, and therefore a GF maximum, or is not and therefore stays a 6 loser medium.

If you think Responder is odds on to have the SA or SQ, bid 3C.
If not, bid 2C.

However, if you do bid 2C, your problems are not necessarily over...
1D-1S;2C-2H!??
1D-1S;2C-2S;??
1D-1S;2C-2N;??
1D-1S;2C-3S;??

At least some of these auctions must result in you upgrading your hand to a maximum even if you did not after the 1st round of bidding.
...and "what will you do dear?"

One thing the immediate 3C bidders definitely have going for them is that they are not going to have problems with the later auction since they "got their hand off their chest" with the immediate JS.

Even if it rates to be an overbid.

IMHO, this is yet another area where partners have to agree how they want to err, high or low, when the decision is this close and there might be problems in the later auction.
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Posted 2008-March-17, 14:11

This is an easy 2♣ rebid for me.
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Posted 2008-March-18, 05:14

Easy 3♣ for me. And no, I don't play that as 3+ cards.
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Posted 2008-March-18, 13:58

3♣, but just barely. I have an easy 3♥ over 3♦ as I play it.
Perhaps I'm overbidding, but 2♣ and then 3♦ over 2♦ is very soft.
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