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Feeling lucky? Opps can be so annoying

Poll: Well, do ya punk? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Well, do ya punk?

  1. Pass (17 votes [58.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.62%

  2. 6[SP] (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  3. 7[SP] (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Abstain, I can't stand 4S over 4D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Abstain, I can't stand something else on the auction (11 votes [37.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.93%

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#1 User is offline   TylerE 

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Posted 2008-February-27, 20:10

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p - (p) - 1 - (2)
2 - (3) - 4(1) - (5)
5 - (p) - ??

(1) - Yes, I know some of you would bid 4 here, but didn't want to give opps a peck at bidding 4, perhaps talking themselves into bidding 5 over 4 when they wouldn't do it over a direct 4.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 20:19

Abstain, I can't stand 1.

Edit: I guess I might answer the other questions, too. I like 4. I would pass now.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 20:21

I can't stand 1S, why would you ever open 1S with 5 spades and 6 clubs when the honors are roughly the same. I just don't get it.

4S is fine, it indeed seems likely that you will be allowed to play there so why tell them that you have clubs.

Now it is a bit of a guess. I guess that partner does have some values in hearts and not the perfecto and I pass.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 20:35

I dislike 1.

I dislike 4.

I have no coins in my pocket.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 20:39

Dislike 1. Why not 1?
4 is fine.
I suspect that I will dislike partner's bidding when I see his hand - Pass, then 2, then 5?
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 21:19

I don't hate 1 like everyone else does, and I would pass now and dont think it's that close
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Posted 2008-February-27, 21:52

1 isn't for me either.

I think partner has extreme shortage in diamonds. This might be good news or bad news depending on whether he has club or heart cards. He could have both and no spade honours.

With two ways to go wrong (assuming I am right about the diamond distribution) I think I will Pass bidding doesn't seem to be a good bet.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 22:03

There is nothing wrong with your 1S opening. If you open 1C and the opps bidding is up to 4H by the time it gets back to you, do you think you are good enough for 4S? Sounds like a bit of a gamble to me.

I will pass now. I am pretty sure my D Ace is not carrying its full weight.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 22:06

The_Hog, on Feb 27 2008, 11:03 PM, said:

If you open 1C and the opps bidding is up to 4H by the time it gets back to you, do you think you are good enough for 4S?
Obviously yes.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-February-27, 22:21

Id rather be in the situation of 1-4-P-P-? than 1-4-P-P-?
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Posted 2008-February-27, 23:56

I'm also very strongly in the open 1 camp here. 4 was OK and pass now seem obvious to me. Partner's sequence looks a little strange.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 01:18

skaeran, on Feb 28 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

I'm also very strongly in the open 1 camp here. 4 was OK and pass now seem obvious to me. Partner's sequence looks a little strange.

I agree with you, besides, it looks a LITTLE strange? Looks very strange to me.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 04:22

TylerE, on Feb 28 2008, 03:10 AM, said:

(1) -  Yes, I know some of you would bid 4 here, but didn't want to give opps a peck at bidding 4, perhaps talking themselves into bidding 5 over 4 when they wouldn't do it over a direct 4.

This approach, of making an uninformative jump to game in the hope of avoiding further competition, never ever seems to work for me. They always bid to the five level anyway, and I'm left wondering what to do and wishing I'd involved my partner.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 05:55

Auction is fine. There are alternatives, but as it went it's a prefectly good approach.

Pard steched his neck quite a bit. I kinda owe him a raise, but stuff really depends on where his high cards are. I have too many holes and pard did bid only 2, so pass.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 07:08

1 is the only sensible option, lets you find your fit inmediatelly. This hand is a clear example.

About bidding 6, well, we could even be cold for grand actually, but partner is likelly to be bidding on on a heart suit, wich makes the hand awful.

Is partner on the same wavelenght as us? hiding his suit when he could easylly show it at the 5 level?.

Not knowing partner I feel lucky and bid 6.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 07:25

Pass. I don't even think partner's 5 is forward-going.
Anyway, the 4 bid made it impossible for p to make an intelligent slam decision. I think that was a good choice since 4 was more likely to help opps.

Fluffy said:

partner is likelly to be bidding on on a heart suit, wich makes the hand awful.
Is partner on the same wavelenght as us? hiding his suit when he could easylly show it at the 5 level?.

Interesting thought. Maybe we do have a double fit after all.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 07:34

Pass. Partner made a simple raise before, so bidding 6 now is optimistic to say the least.

I would have opened 1.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 11:10

655321, on Feb 27 2008, 10:06 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Feb 27 2008, 11:03 PM, said:

If you open 1C and the opps bidding is up to 4H by the time it gets back to you, do you think you are good enough for 4S?
Obviously yes.

Of course. Meanwhile, as Ken pointed out, what are you doing after 1-4-P-P?
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Posted 2008-February-28, 11:19

helene_t, on Feb 29 2008, 02:25 AM, said:

Pass. I don't even think partner's 5 is forward-going.
Anyway, the 4 bid made it impossible for p to make an intelligent slam decision. I think that was a good choice since 4 was more likely to help opps.

Fluffy said:

partner is likelly to be bidding on on a heart suit, wich makes the hand awful.
Is partner on the same wavelenght as us? hiding his suit when he could easylly show it at the 5 level?.

Interesting thought. Maybe we do have a double fit after all.

Partner simply made a competitve call to 5 I do not think there is a strong inference that he does not have hearts. He is not expecting us to go to want to go to the six-level given only 4 nor need to go there if the opponents compete further.

There is a much stronger case for us showing a second suit below game to help partner with a much more likely five-level decision.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 11:20

Hi,

Pass.

... and of course abstain, because 1S is
...

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