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Feeling lucky? Opps can be so annoying

Poll: Well, do ya punk? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Well, do ya punk?

  1. Pass (17 votes [58.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.62%

  2. 6[SP] (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  3. 7[SP] (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Abstain, I can't stand 4S over 4D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Abstain, I can't stand something else on the auction (11 votes [37.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.93%

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#21 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2008-February-28, 11:29

1. Hate 1♠. 5-6 blacks are the easiest 5-6 to bid out.
2. Don't like 4♠, but not as much as I hate 1♠.

Some joker left the heart suit out of this deck.

Since I have advertised ♠KJxxxx ♥AQx ♦Ax ♣Ax with my previous bidding, I'm really at a total loss on what pard is bidding 5 over 5 on.

I hate to guess, but more importantly, I hate for pard to have to guess.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 13:01

Codo, on Feb 28 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

skaeran, on Feb 28 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

I'm also very strongly in the open 1♣ camp here. 4♠ was OK and pass now seem obvious to me. Partner's sequence looks a little strange.

I agree with you, besides, it looks a LITTLE strange? Looks very strange to me.

I didn't really think I had to add a smiley there. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2008-February-28, 14:55

pclayton, on Feb 29 2008, 06:29 AM, said:

Since I have advertised ♠KJxxxx ♥AQx ♦Ax ♣Ax with my previous bidding, I'm really at a total loss on what pard is bidding 5 over 5 on.

I think you might bid 4♠ on a whole lot less than that with more distribution.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 15:07

Definitely pass.

Personally I alway open the longer suit.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 15:17

cherdano, on Feb 28 2008, 05:10 PM, said:

Of course. Meanwhile, as Ken pointed out, what are you doing after 1♠-4♥-P-P?

Yeah yeah, its very easy to put a single bidding, think of these 2 sequences:

1♠-3♥-3♠-5♥

1♣-3♥-pass-5♥


you can switch ♥ with ♦ if you want.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 15:23

Surely you realize Gonzalo that

1♣-3♥-p-5♥
is about 25 times less frequent an auction than
1♠-3♥-3♠-5♥
which is 15 times less frequent than
1♠-4♥-p-p
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Posted 2008-February-28, 15:24

I open 1♣ on 5-6 hands even when my hand is a POS where bidding spades later gives the wrong impression. So I'm definitely opening 1♣ here.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 15:26

gwnn, on Feb 28 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

Surely you realize Gonzalo that

1♣-3♥-p-5♥
is about 25 times less frequent an auction than
1♠-3♥-3♠-5♥
which is 15 times less frequent than
1♠-4♥-p-p

If I open 1♠, it might go
1♠-2♦-4♦-5♦
which is easy.

But, if I open 1♣, it might go
1♣-7♦-X-P-?
which is hard.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 15:39

kenrexford, on Feb 28 2008, 04:26 PM, said:

gwnn, on Feb 28 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

Surely you realize Gonzalo that

1♣-3♥-p-5♥
is about 25 times less frequent an auction than
1♠-3♥-3♠-5♥
which is 15 times less frequent than
1♠-4♥-p-p

If I open 1♠, it might go
1♠-2♦-4♦-5♦
which is easy.

But, if I open 1♣, it might go
1♣-7♦-X-P-?
which is hard.

LOL, nice one Ken.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 19:14

To say opening 1S is wrong is a big call. Many experts play this style, eg the Washington Standard acolytes. The Poles play it as well, as well as all the other Polish C. players. (Granted they do it for systemic reasons.) Obviously Fluffy plays it this way too. I certainly would not bid 4S on the hand had I opened 1C and 4H came back to me opposite a pd who passes. I think thats asking for trouble. No argument I have read here so far has persauded me that 1S is wrong. Both openings have their advs and disadvs, I feel that the 1S opening has fewer disadvantages.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 19:23

kenrexford, on Feb 28 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

gwnn, on Feb 28 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

Surely you realize Gonzalo that

1♣-3♥-p-5♥
is about 25 times less frequent an auction than
1♠-3♥-3♠-5♥
which is 15 times less frequent than
1♠-4♥-p-p

If I open 1♠, it might go
1♠-2♦-4♦-5♦
which is easy.

But, if I open 1♣, it might go
1♣-7♦-X-P-?
which is hard.

My point was about the fact that anyone can invent any convention and then invent a bidding sequence where it works, and it probes nothing.

But Ken will always be the best inventing I guess :D

One of the things I love from those who open 1♣ is that they will then have obvious rebids of 3/4♠, but it doesn't matter if they have 6 losers or only 2, they have their call.
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Posted 2008-February-28, 21:29

Abstain, opening 1♠ on that hand is mad. Please tell me that whomever held this hand in real life accidently put a club in with the spades.
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Posted 2008-February-29, 16:05

jchiu, on Feb 29 2008, 03:29 AM, said:

Abstain, opening 1♠ on that hand is mad.

That 1♠ opening is prefectly correct.
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