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Hi,
My openings often come under some scrutiny
Playing with my fav Aussie, we had this hand and disagreed on the opening. I'm interested in what your style is. If you dont open this 1nt why not and will you rasie a 1M response from p?
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Posted 2008-February-25, 10:49
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Hi,
My openings often come under some scrutiny
Playing with my fav Aussie, we had this hand and disagreed on the opening. I'm interested in what your style is. If you dont open this 1nt why not and will you rasie a 1M response from p?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
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"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted 2008-February-25, 10:53
1NT, if you play 15-17 notrumps then there is no discussion possible.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 12:02
1NT
I'd also open AQJ QJx xx AJxxx as 1NT.
If I was a jack lighter, then I'd bid 1♣ and say 1NT over any major suit response.
1NT = 15-17 balanced
1x, rebidding 1NT = 12-14 balanced
Raising the major is a distortion, in my opinion.
V
I'd also open AQJ QJx xx AJxxx as 1NT.
If I was a jack lighter, then I'd bid 1♣ and say 1NT over any major suit response.
1NT = 15-17 balanced
1x, rebidding 1NT = 12-14 balanced
Raising the major is a distortion, in my opinion.
V
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 12:04
raising on 3 cards should imply a goodish ODR. I like requiring an outside singleton or maybe 6m3M22. This hand sucks as ODR and I'd open it 1NT notwithstanding the not so sexy QJ doubleton.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 12:06
If you want to downgrade for QJ tight, then you should upgrade for AJ962, and upgrade a little bit for two aces and touching honors.
I can't imagine downgrading this to 12-14, so I would open 1N.
I can't imagine downgrading this to 12-14, so I would open 1N.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 13:44
Hi,
1NT, assuming you are playing 15-17.
It is said, that experts regular upgrade, but rarely
downgrade.
You could of course make a point for downgrading
the given hand, QJ tight in one suit, QJx in another
are reason enough.
E.g. if you ask the LTC, he will tell you that the hand
has 8 loosers, the expected value for a 15/16HCP
hand is 6, and for a 15/16 bal. hand 6,5, so this is a
fairly bad 15 count.
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Assuming, I did not open the hand with 1 NT, than
I would rebid 1NT, selling the hand as 12-14.
I rarely raise with 3 card support, and if I do, I am
certainly not balanced
With kind regards
Marlowe
1NT, assuming you are playing 15-17.
It is said, that experts regular upgrade, but rarely
downgrade.
You could of course make a point for downgrading
the given hand, QJ tight in one suit, QJx in another
are reason enough.
E.g. if you ask the LTC, he will tell you that the hand
has 8 loosers, the expected value for a 15/16HCP
hand is 6, and for a 15/16 bal. hand 6,5, so this is a
fairly bad 15 count.
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Assuming, I did not open the hand with 1 NT, than
I would rebid 1NT, selling the hand as 12-14.
I rarely raise with 3 card support, and if I do, I am
certainly not balanced
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2008-February-25, 13:46
vuroth, on Feb 25 2008, 01:02 PM, said:
1NT
I'd also open AQJ QJx xx AJxxx as 1NT.
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I'd also open AQJ QJx xx AJxxx as 1NT.
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This hand is a whole lot stronger
than the original given hand.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2008-February-25, 13:50
Unless you have had extensive partnership discussions there will always be potential disagreement about marginal hands - one player might upgrade freely or occasionally and the other never.
I wouldn't worry about these sorts of disagreements near the boundaries.
For me this is a normal minimum strong 1NT. Sure the ♦ QJ might be useless but they might have some value and on average are certainly not worthless. This hand has enough plus features to make up for this flaw without downgrading. However I would understand a partner who did downgrade.
I wouldn't worry about these sorts of disagreements near the boundaries.
For me this is a normal minimum strong 1NT. Sure the ♦ QJ might be useless but they might have some value and on average are certainly not worthless. This hand has enough plus features to make up for this flaw without downgrading. However I would understand a partner who did downgrade.
Wayne Burrows
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Posted 2008-February-25, 14:16
P_Marlowe, on Feb 25 2008, 02:46 PM, said:
vuroth, on Feb 25 2008, 01:02 PM, said:
1NT
I'd also open AQJ QJx xx AJxxx as 1NT.
<snip>
I'd also open AQJ QJx xx AJxxx as 1NT.
<snip>
This hand is a whole lot stronger
than the original given hand.
True.
What I was aiming for was that the diamond weakness would not dissuade me from opening NT. Potential wastage in a QJ doubleton is a different issue.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 14:36
I think downgrading is in the realm of possibility, but I would never do it. 1NT for me.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 18:41
LMAO
how sweet
fwiw, I did not actually disagree with opening 1NT, I said it was 'Dodgy'.
This is, of course, high praise LOL.
how sweet
fwiw, I did not actually disagree with opening 1NT, I said it was 'Dodgy'.
This is, of course, high praise LOL.
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Posted 2008-February-25, 19:27
I missed the joke
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted 2008-February-26, 15:14
Jlall, on Feb 26 2008, 02:41 AM, said:
if han would not downgrade this no one would.
I don't know about that, but I'd never downgrade this.
Kind regards,
Harald
Harald
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