[jillybean]

Dealer: West Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ 3 ♥ J862 ♦ AKQ6 ♣ K953

West North East South

 Pass  Pass  Pass  1♦
 Pass  1♠    Pass  1NT
 Pass  3♠    Pass  ? 


I ofen get this wrong, would you bid 3nt here and please explain why?

[vuroth]

I've shown 12-14 and less than 4 spades. Partner thinks we might still have game, even though she's a passed hand.

Partner also has at least 5 spades.

Partner must be a near maximum pass, but for my money, that does not mean 12 points and 5 spades - that will often (always?) be opened. Ergo, either it's less points or more spades and a couple of less points (6+ spades, max 10 points?)

We don't seem to have the firepower for 3NT, nor the fit for 4♠. I'll pass, and hope we can make.

[cherdano]

Uhm, partner certainly has shown 6+spades.

[vuroth]

cherdano, on Feb 25 2008, 01:13 PM, said:

Uhm, partner certainly has shown 6+spades.

So how does partner invite game with 5♠? 2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support?

[cherdano]

vuroth, on Feb 25 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

cherdano, on Feb 25 2008, 01:13 PM, said:

Uhm, partner certainly has shown 6+spades.

So how does partner invite game with 5♠? 2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support?

I would still play NMF on this auction, so I would bid 2♣.
If I didn't play that, yes I would bid 2N with an invitational balanced hand and 5 spades.

[jtfanclub]

I'll bid 4♥, expecting partner to rebid 4♠ most of the time. Partner has not denied 4 hearts...in fact, if a 2♠ opener denies 4 hearts, I'd say a fit is likely. If partner thinks that I open 1♦ and rebid 1NT with either a strong hand or five hearts, I'll find a new partner.

Either partner has hearts, or he doesn't. If he does, we should play in hearts. If he doesn't, I seriously doubt that we're making 3NT. By the time we set up the spades, partner will be out of entries, and we aren't making length tricks out of our hand.

Nothing wrong with pass. I'm just feeling a little frisky today.

[whereagles]

Pard has 10-11 and a broken suit. The bad suit is the reason he didn't open 2♠.

The 1NT rebid screwed us up this time (it's way better to bid both minors), so what the heck... 3NT. Maybe pard has some side club honors, who knows...?

[whereagles]

vuroth, on Feb 25 2008, 06:19 PM, said:

So how does partner invite game with 5♠? 2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support?

Either that or using a gadget over 1NT (which is usually 2♣ or 2♦).

[Codo]

I cannot construct any hand which passes in 2. seat and bids this way later.
If you are long and strong enough for a jump to 3 Spade, why didn´t you open 2 Spade?

1. You have a four card major outside? Bid it now.
2. You have a weak suit and all values outside? Treat it like a 5 card suit and rebid 2 Club as nmf/checkback or 2 NT to invite.

Any other reasons I missed?

[han]

I pass.

Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts.

[TylerE]

Anyone else hate the 1NT bid on this auction? I can't stand a rebid of 1NT by opener with stiff in partners suit. I think xx is the minimum holding. I *might* do it with stiff A, where I don't mind playing a 6-1, but not anything less. Bid your hand, 2♣.

[jdonn]

Easy pass. Well bid up to that point.

[whereagles]

TylerE, on Feb 25 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

Anyone else hate the 1NT bid on this auction?

Me. Can stand 1NT on A, K or Q singleton, but not a spot card.

[jtfanclub]

han, on Feb 25 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

I pass.

Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts.

Your psychic powers are amazing, Han.

[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 Pass  Pass  Pass  1♦
 Pass  1♠    Pass  1NT
 Pass  3♠    Pass  Pass
 Pass  


I passed, the other table got to 3nt after north opened 1♠
Ive got to say this is clear 1♠ for me. My pard said I must bid 3nt.

But its my 1nt rebid that seems to have received the most wrath, is it always bad bridge to bid nt with a stiff in pards suit?

[rogerclee]

I think pass is really clear here. 3NT after this auction is a fairly unusual call in general; 4♠ and Pass are far more common (raising with a stiff is not unusual). It might show something like ♠x ♥QT9x ♦KQJTx ♣KQJ; slow values which suggest that 3N is better if partner doesn't have great spades.

I don't take any issue to rebidding 1N with the stiff. I think that is the best call here.

[vuroth]

whereagles, on Feb 25 2008, 01:40 PM, said:

vuroth, on Feb 25 2008, 06:19 PM, said:

So how does partner invite game with 5♠?  2NT, allowing you to accept via 3♠ if you have 3 card support?

cherdano said:

I would still play NMF on this auction, so I would bid 2♣.
If I didn't play that, yes I would bid 2N with an invitational balanced hand and 5 spades.

Either that or using a gadget over 1NT (which is usually 2♣ or 2♦).

Thank you both. That's the sequence I was missing.

[han]

jtfanclub, on Feb 25 2008, 03:18 PM, said:

han, on Feb 25 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

I pass.

Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts.

Your psychic powers are amazing, Han.

Rather a matter of trust in partner.

I also like the 1NT bid Tyler.

[jtfanclub]

I must confess, of all the hands I imagined partner having, the actual one was not among them.

How is 3NT going to work, anyways? Opening lead is a heart, and they play enough hearts to kill the entry. Now what? Pray that the spade queen is onside and they split 3-3? Or they lead a club, and when they get back in they take 3-4 clubs and a heart?

4 spades has some small hope, especialy if they lead a heart.

[jtfanclub]

han, on Feb 25 2008, 04:32 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Feb 25 2008, 03:18 PM, said:

han, on Feb 25 2008, 02:12 PM, said:

I pass.

Partner has shown 6 spades and does not have 4 hearts.

Your psychic powers are amazing, Han.

Rather a matter of trust in partner.

I also like the 1NT bid Tyler.

Trust in what?

2♥ over 1NT shows junk and both majors, promising at least 5 spades but not necessarily more spades than hearts (unless you like being stuck for a bid after 1♦-1♥-1NT). It doesn't show your hand at all.

3♥ over 1NT shows the right strength, 5 spades, and 4 hearts. Unfortunately, your partner's 3♠ doesn't tell you whether to bid 4 or not, and since he doesn't know you have 6 spades he's unlikely to bid it himself.

Assuming you don't have new minor forcing by a passed hand, what magic does your partner have that you should trust?