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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-February-17, 15:27

KJ8x
AKxxxx
Ax
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LHO opens 3♣, RHO raises to 5♣. We are favorable. What's your plan?
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Posted 2008-February-17, 15:52

Is this IMPs or matchpoints?

5♥

My usual action on these hands is to double (not takeout), and then pass if partner bid 5♦. Not my style to bid 5/5 on these hands, but I have seen that approach work too.
At this vulnerability only, though, 5♥ seems a happy compromise between believing my vulnerable opponents, and perhaps making a contract.
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Posted 2008-February-17, 15:59

team match. opps are good players who bid 5C confidently
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Posted 2008-February-17, 16:25

Double.
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Posted 2008-February-17, 17:12

Dbl seems clear but not sure what to do over 5♦. I tend to pass.
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Posted 2008-February-17, 17:20

We need a reasonable amount from partner to go plus from bidding.

5♥ is wrong most of the time when we cannot make eleven tricks.

Double will make it very hard to get to 5♥ when that is right.

I think this is very close between two bad alternatives or maybe even a third - PASS.

Double is most flexible so I do that and panic later if partner bids 5♦ but that should be based on a long suit.
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Posted 2008-February-17, 17:49

I like 5H at these colors depending on opps (other option being X).
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Posted 2008-February-17, 19:25

I don't have any strong preference for 5♥ or x. I'd probably bid 5♥; would not be surprised if this is a good sacrifice :). If I double and partner bids 5♦, I would bid 5♥.

This is funny, since my initial reaction was "X, wtp?"
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Posted 2008-February-17, 21:24

rogerclee, on Feb 18 2008, 02:25 PM, said:

I'd probably bid 5♥; would not be surprised if this is a good sacrifice :).

This is of course another advantage of bidding at these colours.
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Posted 2008-February-17, 23:50

Double. Not 5H, which is far too unilateral.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 04:00

A unilateral 5♥.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 04:15

X and if partner bid 5D, i bid 5H. A direct 5H is a close 2nd.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 04:19

5H.

If you double, you will play it, at least
most of the time.

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Posted 2008-February-18, 07:57

Dbl + correct 5♦ to 5♥.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 10:10

I agree with the doublers by far.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 12:23

I'm doubling and am pretty sure it's the correct bid with this hand.

However, on the actual deal 5♥ might be the winner. I'll still go with the odds.
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Posted 2008-February-18, 12:42

Scoring: IMP


One table was

3♣-p-5♣-5♥
p-p-x-end

The other was

p-p-1NT-2♥
3♣(90% signoff)-p-p-X
p-4♥-x-end

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