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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2008-January-08, 12:25

None vulnerable, IMPs

AKxx
Axxx
Axxx
x

1♦-(4♠)-p-(p)
??

What call would you make?
What are the logical alternatives, if any?
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Posted 2008-January-08, 12:35

i'd pass

logical alternative could be a penalty X.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 12:44

Pass. Double would be take-out for me and I really don't want to hear 5♣. Yes, 4♠ will no doubt go down, but I will settle for my undoubled undertrick(s).

Likewise, if my partner had doubled, it would be take-out. He did not although he is short in spades.

Give me 1444 instead and it's a different ballgame. I'd double now.

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Posted 2008-January-08, 12:46

No LA to pass for advanced player. For a beginner I might be persuaded double is a LA.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 12:49

Pass. I don't play double as penalty here, but its not specifically takeout either.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 13:51

1) Pass
2) No alternatives
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-January-08, 15:31

jdonn, on Jan 9 2008, 03:46 AM, said:

No LA to pass for advanced player. For a beginner I might be persuaded double is a LA.

Because just beginners play neg. double just up to 4 Heart and 4 NT as takeout?

Yes typical beginner thinking.

I know some partnerships who play neg. double up to 4 HEart. They can double for penalties. If you have this agreement, double is an alternative.

However with no agreement or the knowledge that X is take out or even optional, there is no LA!
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Posted 2008-January-08, 15:38

Pass is beyond obvious
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Posted 2008-January-08, 16:42

Agree with the rest. Thanks Noble, now we are all bored.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-January-08, 19:30

yes, that was my true purpose =)
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Posted 2008-January-09, 11:44

Apollo81, on Jan 8 2008, 01:25 PM, said:

None vulnerable, IMPs

AKxx
Axxx
Axxx
x

1♦-(4♠)-p-(p)
??

What call would you make?
What are the logical alternatives, if any?

Pass, and take the plus. I play neg x's thru 3♠, as do a lot of folks. Here a double should be "cooperative," showing cards, not strictly penalty. That said, if we dbl, P is too likely to bid 5 ♣, so I don't really see an LA.

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Posted 2008-January-09, 12:12

No LA to the singleton lead.
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Posted 2008-January-09, 13:17

cherdano, on Jan 9 2008, 01:12 PM, said:

No LA to the singleton lead.

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That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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