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You hold ♠KQ863 ♥AJ62 ♦QJ73 ♣---, and at unfavourable vulnerability, it goes Pass Pass 1♣ to you. Your call?
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Posted 2007-December-16, 23:18
I tend to double on these, especially when pard is a passed hand.
Doubling caters to finding a 4-4 heart fit or a diamond fit. 1♠ caters to specifically finding a 5-3 spade fit.
Doubling caters to finding a 4-4 heart fit or a diamond fit. 1♠ caters to specifically finding a 5-3 spade fit.
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Posted 2007-December-16, 23:22
Agree with double, though I don't like to do it with 5-4 in the majors. But here it seems too likely that the bidding will come back to me at 3C or higher, and then I'd prefer to have doubled rather than bid 1S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-December-16, 23:59
Ever since one of my partners asked me 'Why don't you just bid like a human being?' when I doubled with 5-4 in the majors I've bid my 5-card major.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 00:03
Jlall, on Dec 16 2007, 11:46 PM, said:
1S, very happy to double up to 4C later
As usual, we agree about most low level bidding decisions. I used to double these but have missed too many 5-3 ♠ fits and have enough to double again and also to rebid ♥ to show 5-4 (unless PD introduces ♦ in which case we have 9 or 10 of them)
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Posted 2007-December-17, 01:39
pclayton, on Dec 17 2007, 12:18 AM, said:
I tend to double on these, especially when pard is a passed hand.
Doubling caters to finding a 4-4 heart fit or a diamond fit. 1♠ caters to specifically finding a 5-3 spade fit.
Doubling caters to finding a 4-4 heart fit or a diamond fit. 1♠ caters to specifically finding a 5-3 spade fit.
But the difference is you still have very good chances of finding a 4-4 fit on the side after 1♠. Your chances of finding a 5-3 spade fit after double are almost nonexistant.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 02:04
1♠, can still Dbl later. The other way around is not possible so if you Dbl first, you're not going to find a 5-3 ♠ fit.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 02:57
X
But it is a matter of style.
With kind regards
Marlowe
But it is a matter of style.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2007-December-17, 03:13
I chose double as I viewed it as a one-bid hand. Certainly there's a limit. If we had, e.g. KJxxx Axxx Qxxx --- are we doubling now?
I was interested that several of the good players here would treat the given hand as a two-bid hand and will try to incorporate that into my evaluation going forward.
I was interested that several of the good players here would treat the given hand as a two-bid hand and will try to incorporate that into my evaluation going forward.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 04:03
I prefer to bid my 5 card suits.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 07:47
1S is my pick on these hands, I can dble for take out later. If I held 5 horrible S I may be more inclined to dble.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 08:10
I am older as Justin, so I would just double up to 3 Club with no pain. 4 Club only if the table presence tells me that it is right.
But this is not the question. the first bid is 1 ♠.
If I had happen to have 4540, I had bid 1 Heart, no problems.....yet.
But this is not the question. the first bid is 1 ♠.
If I had happen to have 4540, I had bid 1 Heart, no problems.....yet.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 09:09
If I had 5431, I'd bid a spade.
As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit.
If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in.
As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit.
If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 09:26
1♠ -- and i think robson/segal book advocates the same.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 09:31
jtfanclub, on Dec 17 2007, 05:09 PM, said:
If I had 5431, I'd bid a spade.
As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit.
If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in.
As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit.
If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in.
and that's bad because ....
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 10:22
gwnn, on Dec 18 2007, 12:31 AM, said:
jtfanclub, on Dec 17 2007, 05:09 PM, said:
If I had 5431, I'd bid a spade.
As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit.
If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in.
As it is, I'm worried not about the 4-4 heart fit, but a 4-4 diamond fit.
If I bid now and X later, I'm expecting partner to leave it in.
and that's bad because ....
1. the opps are always so rude after they wrote down their - 800
2. my pd had no penalty pass, he just did not want to bid 4 Heart on
xx, KQxxx,Kx,xxxx ("But I just had 8 HCPS!")
3. my pd always thinks that if I double now that I have a black two suiter. Something like KQxxx,x,xx,Akxxx.
And he does not want to ruin the score with Ax,Qxx,Axxx,xxxx.
4. Another mad reason
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Posted 2007-December-17, 14:07
inquiry, on Dec 17 2007, 03:26 PM, said:
1♠ -- and i think robson/segal book advocates the same.
correct. 1S by miii tuuuu
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Posted 2007-December-17, 14:11
kfay, on Dec 17 2007, 12:59 AM, said:
Ever since one of my partners asked me 'Why don't you just bid like a human being?' when I doubled with 5-4 in the majors I've bid my 5-card major.
Just wondering what you answered.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-December-17, 14:37
Echognome, on Dec 17 2007, 04:13 AM, said:
I chose double as I viewed it as a one-bid hand. Certainly there's a limit. If we had, e.g. KJxxx Axxx Qxxx --- are we doubling now?
I was interested that several of the good players here would treat the given hand as a two-bid hand and will try to incorporate that into my evaluation going forward.
I was interested that several of the good players here would treat the given hand as a two-bid hand and will try to incorporate that into my evaluation going forward.
I would even bid 1♠ on this hand, and then double 2cpp or 3cpp Obv not as happy about it as the OP hand