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Spot the right play finesse vs drop

#1 User is offline   Trumpace 

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Posted 2007-December-14, 15:04

You are South and reach 6S with E/W passing throughout. Only time E took some time was when he was (probably) contemplating a double of 6C by North.

West leads the club 5, which for the purposes of this problem, you can assume is a singleton.

E/W are intermediate players.

You see:

Scoring: Rubber

Contract 6S.
Lead ♣5.


The tricks go as follows:

1) C5, CA, C6, C3
2) SJ, SQ, SA, S4
3) S2, S5, ST, D4
4) S3, D7, SK, S9
5) DA, D2, C2, D9
6) HA, H3, H2, H4
7) HK, H7, H5, H6
8) HT, H8, ?

Decision time. Finesse or drop?

As usual, ADV/+ please hide your answers. If you think the hand should be played differently etc, please feel free to point out.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 15:14

Trumpace, on Dec 15 2007, 12:04 AM, said:

You are South and reach 6S with E/W passing throughout. Only time E took some time was when he was (probably) contemplating a double of 6C by North.

West leads the club 5, which for the purposes of this problem, you can assume is a singleton.

E/W are intermediate players.

You see:

Scoring: Rubber

Contract 6S.
Lead ♣5.


The tricks go as follows:

1) C5, CA, C6, C3
2) SJ, SQ, SA, S4
3) S2, S5, ST, D4
4) S3, D7, SK, S9
5) DA, D2, C2, D9
6) HA, H3, H2, H4
7) HK, H7, H5, H6
8) HT, H8, ?

Decision time. Finesse or drop?

As usual, ADV/+ please hide your answers. If you think the hand should be played differently etc, please feel free to point out.

You're missing a key part of the analysis:

Once East tanks over 6♣, the first thing that you do is call the director so you can bar a club lead.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 15:37

hrothgar, on Dec 14 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

You're missing a key part of the analysis:

Once East tanks over 6♣, the first thing that you do is call the director so you can bar a club lead.

Err... this was on BBO in MBC, so you have no director available :D. Anyway, the hand is probably interesting on a non-club lead too.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 15:43

hrothgar, on Dec 14 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

You're missing a key part of the analysis:

Once East tanks over 6♣, the first thing that you do is call the director so you can bar a club lead.

Well I'm sure you know the tank wouldn't 'bar' the lead. In fact as long as west doesn't have Qxx of trumps or something, they will probably allow a singleton club lead (short of him having KQJ of diamonds on the side) as it's too obvious to avoid.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 15:48

God, these are a pain to read.

Cards played: W: ♠459 ♥73 ♦2 ♣5
Cards played: E: ♠Q ♥64 ♦974 ♣6



I don't see the answer, sorry.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 16:03

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Posted 2007-December-14, 16:12

I guess finesse, E probably has KJxx of clubs, and I'll assume D9 is count, showing 6. They have 11 diamonds, and neither player bid, so assuming this is a true count card, it sounds like E has the diamond length.
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Posted 2007-December-14, 16:44

jtfanclub, on Dec 14 2007, 04:48 PM, said:

God, these are a pain to read.

Sorry, will try to do better next time.

As for the puzzle...

I believe we should play for the drop, given that E/W are intermediate players.
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Anyway, sorry if this was not very interesting or instructive. I thought it might be an instructive hand...
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Posted 2007-December-14, 18:13

Trumpace, on Dec 14 2007, 05:44 PM, said:

Anyway, sorry if this was not very interesting or instructive. I thought it might be an instructive hand...

You only posted it an hour and a half ago (before your last reply), sheesh. Just because I couldn't figure it out doesn't mean that nobody else will.

(I prefer the format where West is always to the left on a trick, with the card led bolded. Personal preference, but it means I can read down the column to see what a player has played).
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Posted 2007-December-14, 18:48

jtfanclub, on Dec 14 2007, 07:13 PM, said:

Trumpace, on Dec 14 2007, 05:44 PM, said:

Anyway, sorry if this was not very interesting or instructive. I thought it might be an instructive hand...

You only posted it an hour and a half ago (before your last reply), sheesh. Just because I couldn't figure it out doesn't mean that nobody else will.

:)

Did you forget a smiley?

Anyway, since the right play on this is debatable (depends on what you think opps are doing) I just added what I thought.
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Posted 2007-December-16, 04:18

Given that East was an intermediate player:

[HIDDEN]. If East holds the ♥Q, will have started with 5 diamonds. It is unlikely that East would not seem under pressure with the last discard with 2 high honours remaining. In fact East might have discarded a club instead. One must conclude therefore East that does not hold the ♥Q and started with 6 diamonds. Probably East lazily discarded low upwards in diamonds with any 3 remaining out of KQJ10.
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