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Posted 2007-December-15, 01:54
Who, if any, is to blame for the missed slam in this auction:
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Posted 2007-December-15, 02:10
West? Beyond that the best answer I can offer is "certainly not north", which is not to say I think south did anything wrong. But maybe my mind can be changed.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 02:14
it's just a 68% slam (if they cash their ♣A)
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just mark down "always preempt opps cause preempts can be a pain"
.just mark down "always preempt opps cause preempts can be a pain"
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 04:01
Sure this is a slam I would want to be in, but no one is to blame here. Both Nth and Sth actions are 100% normal unless you are prescient.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 07:18
yup- normal
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Posted 2007-December-15, 09:13
gwnn, on Dec 15 2007, 12:14 AM, said:
it's just a 68% slam (if they cash their ♣A).
just mark down "always preempt opps cause preempts can be a pain"
.just mark down "always preempt opps cause preempts can be a pain"
Look again. We have a 9 card fit, not an 8.
If I was looking for a swing I'd do more than 4♥. Otherwise this is normal.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 10:02
"Preempts work, deal with it and move on" are my words of wisdom
I constantly try and "Esc-wq!" to finish and post webforum replies.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 12:18
pclayton, on Dec 15 2007, 09:13 AM, said:
gwnn, on Dec 15 2007, 12:14 AM, said:
it's just a 68% slam (if they cash their ♣A).
just mark down "always preempt opps cause preempts can be a pain"
.just mark down "always preempt opps cause preempts can be a pain"
Look again. We have a 9 card fit, not an 8.
If I was looking for a swing I'd do more than 4♥. Otherwise this is normal.
This slam is lots more than 68% as you've mentioned, and certainly one I want to be in.
The problem is getting there after the 4♣ preempt ! However, South does have a had that usually takes 8 tricks unless ♥ split badly, which is reasonably possible after the preempt and PD's neg X.
Perhaps S could cue bid 5♣ since slam has to have a decent chance if PD's negX is anything but junk at this level.
If opener rebids 4NT rather than 4♥ what would that be ? Blackwood ? RKC for the ♠ suit implied by the neg X ? To play ?!? (not for me).
It is also quite possible that PD stretched a bit for his neg X and the 5 level isn't safe as trumps split badly.
Preempts can work wonderfully, and as much as I'd like to make a slam move as opener, I think I'd chicken out at the table unless really needing a swing.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 13:19
Agree with west.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 15:12
South should have bid 4 1/2 ♥.
Clearly, West's preempt is what gummed up the works. Both North and South took perfectly normal actions. If either of them is at all to blame, it is South. He has 8 tricks in hand, and I am sure he felt uncomfortable bidding only 4♥.
It is hard to blame either player for missing this slam.
Clearly, West's preempt is what gummed up the works. Both North and South took perfectly normal actions. If either of them is at all to blame, it is South. He has 8 tricks in hand, and I am sure he felt uncomfortable bidding only 4♥.
It is hard to blame either player for missing this slam.
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Posted 2007-December-15, 16:18
Mbodell, on Dec 15 2007, 02:54 AM, said:
Who, if any, is to blame for the missed slam in this auction:
Scoring: MP
E S W N
P 1♥ 4♣ X
P 4♥ All Pass
E S W N
P 1♥ 4♣ X
P 4♥ All Pass
tough hand maybe:
5c over 4c and 5H over 5d rebid by north?
South does have a 4 loser hand. North promises at least few covers, yes?
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E S W N
P 1♥ 4♣ X
P 4♥ All Pass