[kfay]

I held this hand today and wasn't sure what to do:

Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-Dbl-(2♣)-?

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Your call.

[gwnn]

Pass is probably the book bid, but I'd probably bid 2♥ anyway at the table. Pd is strong balanced? We'll play a nice 4♥ contract. Pd isn't strong balanced? We have located a nice 9.5 card fit, and we can ruff spades in dummy and then we don't have all that many losers any more.

[mike777]

kfay, on Dec 12 2007, 02:00 AM, said:

I held this hand today and wasn't sure what to do:

Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-Dbl-(2♣)-?

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Your call.

4H weakish

would cue and then 4H with more hcp/defense

In other words with more hcp and defense on any of these type of hands I cue first and rebid...I blast with weakish.

I do this whenever partner overcalls or opens the bidding and the opp are bidding also.
1) Blast=weakish
2) Cue and rebid with good hand.

[CSGibson]

I'm waffling between 3 and 4 hearts. I don't know which is correct, but with a likely 10 card heart fit, an ace opposite my partner's presumed shortness, the likelihood that partner's red suit values are well placed, and the chance to snag a vulerable game...Heck with it, I'm a 4 heart bidder.

[CSGibson]

gwnn, on Dec 11 2007, 11:08 PM, said:

Pass is probably the book bid

Partner knew you'd have to come in at the two level with a 3-4-3-3 0 count. You have shape and an ace. You owe partner at least a 2 heart bid no matter what books you are reading.

[karlson]

I can't imagine why pass is the book bid. 2h looks like an underbid if anything.

3h looks like a mild overbid though. Probably -2 if partner has his usual junk of xx KQxx Qxx KQxx. Hopefully if partner has x AKxx Axxx xxxx, he'll muster up a raise when the opponents compete to 2s or 3c.

[P_Marlowe]

3H, the alternative being 2H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

CSGibson, on Dec 12 2007, 02:32 AM, said:

I'm waffling between 3 and 4 hearts.  I don't know which is correct, but with a likely 10 card heart fit, an ace opposite my partner's presumed shortness, the likelihood that partner's red suit values are well placed, and the chance to snag a vulerable game...Heck with it, I'm a 4 heart bidder.

Hi,

I guess, it is more likely that partner sits on
a strong hand, than that he looks at 4 hearts.

And the 2C bid just makes this more likely,
since 2C is played as nonforcing by most, even
if you play that a change of suit after an overcall
is forcing.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

geez i must admit i thought this was another 4h wtp...i guess not..2h???3h??? never crossed me brain.

I really thought 100% would bid 4h ..guess not.


2c is F1 is standard I was taught. I doubt p has to xx to force one round 100%.

[mike777]

[quote name='karlson' date='Dec 12 2007, 02:44 AM'] -2 if partner has his usual junk of xx KQxx Qxx KQxx.


Perhaps this is the current standard or never was but I thought this example is too weak to double one spade?

[whereagles]

4♥. With a bit of luck, pard will be listening to the action and will able to tell this is shape-based, not strength based.

[karlson]

[quote name='mike777' date='Dec 12 2007, 01:56 AM'] [quote name='karlson' date='Dec 12 2007, 02:44 AM'] -2 if partner has his usual junk of xx KQxx Qxx KQxx.


Perhaps this is the current standard or never was but I thought this example is too weak to double one spade? [/quote]
Sure. I tried to give the worst hand possible, this is probably a submin for most people.
Besides, 4s looks pretty good with the opponents' cards on that example.

I have to admit I'm leaning more towards 3h.

[SoTired]

This is a textbook 4H bid.

When advancing a takeout dbl, a simple free bid or a single jump show values. A double (or triple) jump is preemptive. Your hand is preemptive (only 4 HCP). With a 6-card suit, you likely have a 10-card heart fit, so preempt to 4H. You might make it.

[goobers]

I thought 3H would show a good hand assuming 2C is NF.

I would've bid 2H and taken the push to 3.

[helene_t]

3 or 4, most likely 4.

[kfay]

I bid a confident 4♥. What is partner thinking when they hear that and are staring at this giant:

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[helene_t]

Oops I think I would bid 5♥ but there are several options.

Btw I think I would have overcalled 3♠ (maybe influenced by the developments, lol) with that hand, although dbl certainly isn't wrong.

[FrancesHinden]

kfay, on Dec 12 2007, 04:59 PM, said:

I bid a confident 4♥. What is partner thinking when they hear that and are staring at this giant:

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Partner is think "I really wish I had overcalled in diamonds on the first round"

[gwnn]

that hand is much too strong for 3♠ and just strong enough for X+diamonds.

now I can see only two alternatives: pass (pd didnt promise the world) and 5♦, and I love my diamonds so would bid 5♦

btw yea my first post didnt make sense, pass is nonsense. But 4♥ is a bit too extreme for me and I still think 2♥ is best.

[ArtK78]

SoTired, on Dec 12 2007, 07:35 AM, said:

This is a textbook 4H bid.

When advancing a takeout dbl, a simple free bid or a single jump show values. A double (or triple) jump is preemptive. Your hand is preemptive (only 4 HCP). With a 6-card suit, you likely have a 10-card heart fit, so preempt to 4H. You might make it.

Not any textbook that I have ever read. 4♥ is not preemptive.

I would bid 2♥. And if the opponents compete, I would bid 3♥. That is an accurate assessment of my hand.

If partner makes any move towards game, I would accept.