[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

1D-(2H)-DBL-(P)
2S-(P)-P-(3H)
P-(P)-3S-All Pas

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West had ♠Kx and 4♠ would have made. Should N or S bid more?

[Ronald_21]

The odds are not good enough to be in 4S.

[whereagles]

That's a 20% game. You decide whether you like those or not...

[kgr]

whereagles, on Nov 25 2007, 10:23 AM, said:

That's a 20% game. You decide whether you like those or not...

opps at other table bid and made 4♠...Yes, I'd wanted to be in 4♠ as well.

[Codo]

The law and the odds are for playing 3 ♠.
Sometimes you loose but this will be outscored by the millions of
3 Spade = opp. 4 Spade -1 at the other table.

[foo]

kgr, on Nov 26 2007, 03:24 PM, said:

whereagles, on Nov 25 2007, 10:23 AM, said:

That's a 20% game. You decide whether you like those or not...

opps at other table bid and made 4♠...Yes, I'd wanted to be in 4♠ as well.

That's Resulting. Just because someone got lucky does not mean they were playing good bridge!

[downagain]

Both N and S are minimum and balanced. This time 4♠ would have made.. but even 3♠ could have gone down.
You shouldn't judge bidding by results. You should even be happy not going to 4♠ on this hand .
Opps might have won on this board, but if you bid other hands as solid as you did here, opponents will run out of luck and I'm sure you'll be the winner overall.

[lowerline]

kgr, on Nov 24 2007, 08:12 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1D-(2H)-DBL-(P)
2S-(P)-P-(3H)
P-(P)-3S-All Pas

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West had ♠Kx and 4♠ would have made. Should N or S bid more?

I would have raised to 3♠ in the previous round with the South hand... Vulnerable at imps, you want to bid those 35% games. How am I supposed to know this is only a 20% game during the bidding?

Steven

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I would say, that South should bid 3S over
2S, and that North should decline the invitation.

As it is, the delayed 3S bid by South was not an
invitation and game would have been missed, even
if North would have been stronger.

=> South should bid more, but this would not mean
that you reach game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[foo]

lowerline, on Nov 27 2007, 04:55 AM, said:

kgr, on Nov 24 2007, 08:12 PM, said:

N/S,IMP,
AQxx,Axx,Kxxx,Jx,
+
Txxxx,xx,AQJx,xx

1D-(2H)-DBL-(P)
2S-(P)-P-(3H)
P-(P)-3S-All Pass

West had ♠Kx and 4♠ would have made. Should N or S bid more?

I would have raised to 3♠ in the previous round with the South hand... Vulnerable at imps, you want to bid those 35% games. How am I supposed to know this is only a 20% game during the bidding?

Steven

Bad bidding judgement to upgrade S's 7 count to an Invite.

Make S =5341 or =5143 instead of =5242, and then you have a legitimate argument for a possible upgrade.

The double fit is nice, but having 4 likely losers in your short suits is simply too many to upgrade a HCP poor hand to a Limit Raise.

[P_Marlowe]

foo, on Nov 27 2007, 05:31 AM, said:

Bad bidding judgement to upgrade S's 7 count to an Invite.

Make S =5341 or =5143 instead of =5242, and then you have a legitimate argument for a possible upgrade.

The double fit is nice, but having 4 likely losers in your short suits is simply too many to upgrade a HCP poor hand to a Limit Raise.

I am not going to argue, but you do not
only have a double fit, you have also a
5th trump.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

I totally agree with Marlowe.
IN FSE this is 7 HCPs + 1 for the 5. trump + 2 for the two doubletons. This is the upper range for 2 Spade and the lower for 3 Spade. And And to have no wasted values in the sort suit and a sure double fit makes this hand even stronger, so 3 Spade ( or whatever inviting method you use) is clear cut at his second round.
But North should decline the invitation. He has a flat 14 and no distributional points.

[MomoTheDog]

This is fine. Both players have bid exactly what they had.

[foo]

For those that think Responder should upgrade their 7 count to a Limit Raise because of the 5th trump despite the 5422 shape,

1= Check out _I Fought The Law_ . The theory there is solid.

2= Do you raise to 4M with a 6- HCP 5M332 or 5M422 as a matter of course?
How have your results been when you do?

The point here is that there is a reason most upgrades or preemptive raises require a side stiff or void rather than a doubleton as their shortness.

[neilkaz]

whereagles, on Nov 25 2007, 02:23 AM, said:

That's a 20% game. You decide whether you like those or not...

Exactly...bidding game here is well against the odds and once in a while you run into a stack and offside cards as well and the X is very painful in game.

[benlessard]

I would even pass 2S. Partner is heavy favorite to be balanced 12-14. So with my 7 count we are in the 19-21 hcp range. For game around 19-21 HCP i want real magic like 6-7 cards suit or voids. This 5242 facing a balanced hand is far from it.