West had ♠Kx and 4♠ would have made. Should N or S bid more?
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#1
Posted 2007-November-24, 19:12
West had ♠Kx and 4♠ would have made. Should N or S bid more?
#4
Posted 2007-November-26, 14:24
whereagles, on Nov 25 2007, 10:23 AM, said:
opps at other table bid and made 4♠...Yes, I'd wanted to be in 4♠ as well.
#5
Posted 2007-November-27, 02:46
Sometimes you loose but this will be outscored by the millions of
3 Spade = opp. 4 Spade -1 at the other table.
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#6
Posted 2007-November-27, 03:22
kgr, on Nov 26 2007, 03:24 PM, said:
whereagles, on Nov 25 2007, 10:23 AM, said:
opps at other table bid and made 4♠...Yes, I'd wanted to be in 4♠ as well.
That's Resulting. Just because someone got lucky does not mean they were playing good bridge!
#7
Posted 2007-November-27, 03:36
You shouldn't judge bidding by results. You should even be happy not going to 4♠ on this hand
Opps might have won on this board, but if you bid other hands as solid as you did here, opponents will run out of luck and I'm sure you'll be the winner overall.
#8
Posted 2007-November-27, 03:55
kgr, on Nov 24 2007, 08:12 PM, said:
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West had ♠Kx and 4♠ would have made. Should N or S bid more?
I would have raised to 3♠ in the previous round with the South hand... Vulnerable at imps, you want to bid those 35% games. How am I supposed to know this is only a 20% game during the bidding?
Steven
#9
Posted 2007-November-27, 04:22
I would say, that South should bid 3S over
2S, and that North should decline the invitation.
As it is, the delayed 3S bid by South was not an
invitation and game would have been missed, even
if North would have been stronger.
=> South should bid more, but this would not mean
that you reach game.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#10
Posted 2007-November-27, 04:31
lowerline, on Nov 27 2007, 04:55 AM, said:
kgr, on Nov 24 2007, 08:12 PM, said:
AQxx,Axx,Kxxx,Jx,
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Txxxx,xx,AQJx,xx
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West had ♠Kx and 4♠ would have made. Should N or S bid more?
I would have raised to 3♠ in the previous round with the South hand... Vulnerable at imps, you want to bid those 35% games. How am I supposed to know this is only a 20% game during the bidding?
Steven
Bad bidding judgement to upgrade S's 7 count to an Invite.
Make S =5341 or =5143 instead of =5242, and then you have a legitimate argument for a possible upgrade.
The double fit is nice, but having 4 likely losers in your short suits is simply too many to upgrade a HCP poor hand to a Limit Raise.
#11
Posted 2007-November-27, 04:45
foo, on Nov 27 2007, 05:31 AM, said:
Make S =5341 or =5143 instead of =5242, and then you have a legitimate argument for a possible upgrade.
The double fit is nice, but having 4 likely losers in your short suits is simply too many to upgrade a HCP poor hand to a Limit Raise.
I am not going to argue, but you do not
only have a double fit, you have also a
5th trump.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#12
Posted 2007-November-27, 04:53
IN FSE this is 7 HCPs + 1 for the 5. trump + 2 for the two doubletons. This is the upper range for 2 Spade and the lower for 3 Spade. And And to have no wasted values in the sort suit and a sure double fit makes this hand even stronger, so 3 Spade ( or whatever inviting method you use) is clear cut at his second round.
But North should decline the invitation. He has a flat 14 and no distributional points.
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#14
Posted 2007-December-02, 12:04
1= Check out _I Fought The Law_ . The theory there is solid.
2= Do you raise to 4M with a 6- HCP 5M332 or 5M422 as a matter of course?
How have your results been when you do?
The point here is that there is a reason most upgrades or preemptive raises require a side stiff or void rather than a doubleton as their shortness.
#15
Posted 2007-December-02, 14:28
whereagles, on Nov 25 2007, 02:23 AM, said:
Exactly...bidding game here is well against the odds and once in a while you run into a stack and offside cards as well and the X is very painful in game.
#16
Posted 2007-December-03, 09:41
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."

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