[kgr]

Scoring: MP

P-(1♣)-??

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MP's: Your partner dealed and passed and East opened 1♣. Opps play weak NT and 4 card Majors. Do you bid 1D or 2D (2D is weak)? (Do you bid different at IMP's?

[whereagles]

1♦. Feels wrong to bid 2 because of the low ODR. LHO will probably bid 1M, after which pard or you will get off to a good start with a diamond lead.

Certainly can live with 2♦, though.

[ArtK78]

1♦ at any form of scoring (second choice - pass).

Why would you want to bid 2♦ on this collection of garbage?

[jdonn]

1♦ is normal, I would have one of my mini-rampages if someone wanted to pass or bid 2♦

[whereagles]

good to know. then i can call the police in advance to lock you up

[awm]

1♦... but 2♦ would be tempting if the hand was:

xx
Kxx
KQJ9x
xxx

It might also be tempting if 1♣ was a multi-way (polish) club or a strong club.

[kenrexford]

Wow. Not sure I understand some of the thoughts here.

Partner passed. The chances of game for us are extremely remote.

We are not vul against vul, and I have a good suit.

Why anyone would bid 1♦ in this specific situation is beyond me. Opining that 2♦ would result in a mini-rampage is out there, IMO.

[mike777]

kenrexford, on Nov 21 2007, 10:55 PM, said:

Wow. Not sure I understand some of the thoughts here.

Partner passed. The chances of game for us are extremely remote.

We are not vul against vul, and I have a good suit.

Why anyone would bid 1♦ in this specific situation is beyond me. Opining that 2♦ would result in a mini-rampage is out there, IMO.

chance of game remote?

I guess you have never seen my passes playing with pickup partners....game still has a real chance.

[kenrexford]

mike777, on Nov 21 2007, 11:02 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Nov 21 2007, 10:55 PM, said:

Wow.  Not sure I understand some of the thoughts here.

Partner passed.  The chances of game for us are extremely remote.

We are not vul against vul, and I have a good suit.

Why anyone would bid 1♦ in this specific situation is beyond me.  Opining that 2♦ would result in a mini-rampage is out there, IMO.

chance of game remote?

I guess you have never seen my passes playing with pickup partners....game still has a real chance.

I suppose opening styles make a difference. As I am capable of opening hands in first seat, white-on-red, that might be considered not good enough for a limit raise, I suppose my decision in this situation is suspect. LOL

[awm]

Just because your side doesn't have game, doesn't mean you necessarily want to randomize the auction or preempt the opponents. Generally playing a random partscore going down when your side has half the points is not necessarily a good result, even at IMPs but especially at MP.

This hand has a lot of defense and a lot of high card points. It's probable that your hand is as good as RHO's. It's easy to imagine the points being roughly evenly divided, and your best contract could be 1NT or 2♥ or just beating them in some partial. It seems very unilateral to bid 2♦ here.

If our hand was weaker or more shapely, it'd be more likely that they're on for game or at least a plus score, and jamming them rates to gain more.

[pclayton]

Too much stuff for 2♦ and the wrong shape. I'll mimic Zia on another day.

[gwnn]

I love to bid 1♣-2♦, but this has to be too much. (as an aside, acol 1♣ is pretty narrowly defined...)

[helene_t]

I would certainly agree with Ken if opps were playing SA. As it is, the 1♣ opening is well-defined, especially if opps play a majors-first style. I would probably just bid 1♦.

[brianshark]

You have soft honour values in every single side suit. How can you possible think of making a weak jump? How is partner ever going to judge to bid on or double them or pass and hope to knock the contract, or defend correctly or anything once you make such a crazy, misdescriptive undisciplined bid? Unless you have agreed that jumps in this situation are wide-ranging and partner just has to keep quiet no matter what he holds, then anything other than 1♦ is ridiculous.

[P_Marlowe]

1D,

Would not consider any other bid,
because of the strength and the shape.

I want to make a lead director, and thats
what I do, maybe we can by the contract
in 2D or 3D, but only if partner has fit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

With good opps 1 Diamond because it is right.
With bad opps 1 Diamond because I do not need to make the bidding random.

[skjaeran]

1♦.

There's no need to preempt here. It's quite possible it's our hand and we just might still have game, even opposite a light opener.

If it's our hand it's imperative to overcall 1♦ to keep all strains in the picture and give partner the best description of our hand. Our best strain could be anything but ♣'s.

[kgr]

awm, on Nov 22 2007, 06:57 AM, said:

Just because your side doesn't have game, doesn't mean you necessarily want to randomize the auction or preempt the opponents. Generally playing a random partscore going down when your side has half the points is not necessarily a good result, even at IMPs but especially at MP.

This hand has a lot of defense and a lot of high card points. It's probable that your hand is as good as RHO's. It's easy to imagine the points being roughly evenly divided, and your best contract could be 1NT or 2♥ or just beating them in some partial. It seems very unilateral to bid 2♦ here.

If our hand was weaker or more shapely, it'd be more likely that they're on for game or at least a plus score, and jamming them rates to gain more.

I did bid 2♦. This post probably best sumarizes why I should not.
It's MP's, so not so much the remote possibility of making game is important.
2D just made, but 1NT, 2H would have scored better as well as letting opps play. (partner was 4=4=2=3 with 10 HCP).
I scored almost a zero with my bid, but still thought it was the correct bid.
...BBF told me differently