[gwnn]

MP you deal, favorable vulnerability

void
void
AKQJTxxx
8xxxx

[pclayton]

I don't have strong feelings about these kinds of hands, but my style is to open something very high like 5 or 6 and let the chips fall where they may.

With a solid 8 bagger at these colors I'm more inclined to open 5, so with an 8-5, I think I'll open 6.

The one thing I won't do is pass, but I know many that would.

[neilkaz]

An 8 card suit is trumps and 5♦ puts the opps under lots of pressure and often makes. My close 2nd choice is 6♦ which sometimes make and which probably gets doubled.

[Echognome]

Put me down for 6 as well. Partner will never raise this as I hold all the top diamond honors. But no way I'm letting opponents guess any lower than this.

[mike777]

1D

Full pressure bid.

[whereagles]

6 wtp?

[P_Marlowe]

5D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[dburn]

Don't mind opening one. As to those who would open six, my view was well expressed (in a different context) by Bobby Wolff, who said "I admire them - I just don't want their results."

[Echognome]

dburn, on Nov 12 2007, 02:39 PM, said:

Don't mind opening one. As to those who would open six, my view was well expressed (in a different context) by Bobby Wolff, who said "I admire them - I just don't want their results."

Not sure how to take that quote, but it certainly sounds like you think there's a "right" way to bid an 8-5. I long stopped presuming I knew what's the best way to bid with freaks. I certainly believe that 1♦ could work out being the right bid as could pass, or 5♦ or 6. I'm just taking my "guess" with 6 on this hand.

[cherdano]

dburn, on Nov 12 2007, 04:39 PM, said:

Don't mind opening one. As to those who would open six, my view was well expressed (in a different context) by Bobby Wolff, who said "I admire them - I just don't want their results."

Very true. However, I don't want their opponents' results either.

[han]

I'd open 1D in first seat, I think. Or 5D.

[kenrexford]

I was and remain a 1♦ man.

[jdonn]

5♦, I can't see doing anything else.

[gwnn]

Scoring: MP

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At our table:

6♦-6♥-X-all pass -1660
This was a 3 table event, and -1660 turned out to be a 50%!

The other auctions were amazing:

2NT*(minors)-X-p-p-p(!!!)

"I thought I might take 8 diamond tricks" (no, really, he really said that)
-6 for 1400 and 100%!

1♦-X-2♠-p
3♣-4♥-X(!!!)-XX
5♦-5♥*-X-p
6♣-X-p-p
p(!!!)

"I have better clubs than diamonds"

Double dummy defense can take 11 tricks in clubs, but they only took 8 for -1700.

Yes, I could have mentioned the exact circumstances (ie bidding judgment of other players in the club), but I was more interested in the Absolute Correct bid (which of course doesn't exist, but still).

[Cascade]

gwnn, on Nov 13 2007, 06:18 PM, said:

The other auctions were amazing:

2NT*(minors)-X-p-p-p(!!!)

"I thought I might take 8 diamond tricks" (no, really, he really said that)
-6 for 1400 and 100%!

This reminds me of a hand not quite so extreme where I had 1=1=7=4

I had about 10 hcp including AQ in diamonds.

Partner opened 2NT - weak 5/5 in the majors.

I was tempted to bid 3♣ which was an artificial GF the first step of which would have shown diamond shortage - quite a likely hand for partner I thought - which i would the pass. Luckily I didn't try this as partner was 5=5=2=1 so would have made some other bid.

I passed and 2NT became the final contract - well i might take seven diamond tricks. Partner's diamonds were Kx!!!!

A diamond was led

-1.

[Gerben42]

I'm a 6♦ man. Wouldn't have doubled 6♥ as North.

[jdonn]

I think opening 6 of a suit is never right as a preempt because they double you in 5 too often. Here it would either go 5♦ 5♥ all pass or 5♦ X all pass in all likelihood.

[Echognome]

jdonn, on Nov 13 2007, 08:00 AM, said:

I think opening 6 of a suit is never right as a preempt because they double you in 5 too often. Here it would either go 5♦ 5♥ all pass or 5♦ X all pass in all likelihood.

Never is a bold word.

If 8-5 isn't enough, what about a 9-4 or a 10-3?

[ArtK78]

How about 11 to the Jack?