[inquiry]

This may look very similar to ACBL members.

Scoring: IMP

1♠ - 1NT (forcing)
2♦ - ???? your bid

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[bearmum]

I would bid 2♥ Playing forcing 1NT I don't have sufficient points to bid anything else -- P hasn't got 4 hearts, or 6 spades so the ♦ may be a 3 carder --or am I missing something

[mishovnbg]

Only possible bid is 3♦, because:
2♥/♠/3♣ is sign off, and you can miss game
3♥ is inv with 6+ cards and you can play wrong game/score
2NT deny support in ♦ and ♠ and hide your willing to play suit contract, because of 5 cards in ♥ and support in ♦. You can play again wrong game/score
3♠ is 3 fit, inv (or if you denied fit with 1NT, then Tx fit and good ♦ suit, inv)
Over 3♦, if p like to play game, can continue with 3♥- 3 or good 2 cards and you can raise him then to game. By the way here 3♠ must be artifical for 3NT without stop in ♥ - with weak hand and 6+♠ opener's rebid must be directly 2♠ instead of 2♦.
.........................................................................Misho

[luke warm]

3♦... i'd bid 2♥ if i had no game interest

[Gerben47]

3♦ for me. Too much to pass, too few to force. And if it's a 4-3 fit, better next time!

[Free]

3♦, we could still find a 4♥ if partner has a maximum hand and 5-3-3-2...

[hrothgar]

Mark me down for 3D. I would feel more comfortable making this bid playing Polish Club, where opener's 2C rebid promises 2+ Clubs and the 2D rebid promises 4+ Diamonds. With this said and done, I'm too strong to contemplate passing. 2H severely misrepresents both my hand strength and my Heart length.

[Yzerman]

I like to play jumps to new suits here as fit, hence 3H would be D+H, however even if i had that option this is the wrong hand (BAD 5 carder hearts with only 4 diamonds). I think the relative lack of length in diamonds is made up for by a few extra points, although CJ and HK may not be pulling any weight, anyways I think 3D would be considered most flexible bid (partner can still bid 3H/3S/3N/4D/5D over 3D) AND 3D in most partnerships not promise a gold mine, is simply courtesy raise, which is exactly what I have - a courtesy raise.

Regards,
Michael A Lucy

[the hog]

3D. Too much to pass. Not overly impressed by the tatty Hearts.

[inquiry]

It is probably not a good sign that three players who opinions I value have all said they would rebid 3♦ with this hand. A bid that I would not have made, although I fully expected 3♦ to be the most popular choice. I guess I will have to re-evaluate my thinking not because of the number of 3♦ votes, but because who voted for it.

The only person who agreed with my choice for a bid (which was 2♥s) above in writing, expressed views to support the bid that I don't agree with.

First, when my partner rebids 2♦ he/she does not deny a six card ♠ suit, rather denies a six card suit and a minimum. We fully agree with yzerman's view on this posted in the following thread ( http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...hp?showtopic=52 )

Second, some expressed the view that 2♥ was a signoff. I don't believe this either. It is not strongly encouraging, in fact, it is discouraging, but I expect the following possible continuations.

1) Partner with a good hand and 6♠ (bad hand he would not rebid 2♦) will rebid 2♠ or with 3 card ♥ fit raise.
2) Partner with balanced 15-17 will rebid 2NT (we don't bid 2NT directly)
3) Partner with 5-5 in his suits and doubleton ♥ will pass
4) Partner with 55 or more and shorter in ♥ will usually pull as well.

Now, I am actually "strong" for 2♥ but by bidding it, but my suit is horrid and my distribution not wonderful. I will be well placed if I catch partner with any of the good hands well he will bid again, against that if he is weak we may end up in the wrong spot, where we might should be in ♦. Like I said, I will need to re-evaluate...

[bearmum]

inquiry, on Feb 13 2004, 04:50 PM, said:

The only person who agreed with my choice for a bid (which was 2♥s) above in writing, expressed views to support the bid that I don't agree with.

Thanks for the explaination of why P could have a six card S suit - as an Intermediate player who is learning 2/1 I hadn't heard of it

[mishovnbg]

Yzerman, on Feb 12 2004, 11:47 PM, said:

I like to play jumps to new suits here as fit, hence 3H would be D+H, however even if i had that option this is the wrong hand (BAD 5 carder hearts with only 4 diamonds). I think the relative lack of length in diamonds is made up for by a few extra points, although CJ and HK may not be pulling any weight, anyways I think 3D would be considered most flexible bid (partner can still bid 3H/3S/3N/4D/5D over 3D) AND 3D in most partnerships not promise a gold mine, is simply courtesy raise, which is exactly what I have - a courtesy raise.

Regards,
Michael A Lucy

..............................................Hi Mike!....................................................
To play JS rebids of 1NT RF as fit you neeed to play 2/1 as RF when rebid 3 of 2/1 suit or JS responses as inv. There is another way through transfer advances, but far more complicated (look NTC ).
.......................................................................................Misho

[Trpltrbl]

3 ♦, bid with fit, my pd is smart enough to bid 3 ♥ if he is 5-3-4-1 or something like that, with some game interest.

Mike