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  4. 3 (5 votes [15.62%])

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  5. 4 (16 votes [50.00%])

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Posted 2007-October-25, 13:23

you deal, favorable imps

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Posted 2007-October-25, 13:53

Director!! only 12 cards.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 14:00

Fluffy, on Oct 25 2007, 09:53 PM, said:

Director!! only 12 cards.

argh i suck. 1282
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Posted 2007-October-25, 14:19

looks like a completely standard 4D opener, what am I missing? :lol:
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Posted 2007-October-25, 14:28

Jlall, on Oct 25 2007, 02:19 PM, said:

looks like a completely standard 4D opener, what am I missing? :lol:

Favorable with an 8-card suit? I would try 5♦, no strong opinion though.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 14:35

I'd open 5♦ is I were the weaker team, and 4♦ if I thought we had an edge. The suit isn't great and 8221 is a cousin of 7222.

Change the hand a little for the better and I open 5♦.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 14:38

Obviously I cannot argue that 5D sucks in any ways but general thinking since we're talking about how high to preempt but:

5D is very committal and will rarely induce the opponents to bid something other than getting doubled. With 6.5 tricks (jlall trick count) I really don't want to concede a likely 500 or unlucky 800 into what may not even be a game. Partner's shape and defense are unknown, we have a potential defensive trick, and it just seems presumptuous to think they will make 4M. Of course this argues against all preempts, but I would much rather open 5 on a nice offensive 7-4 or 8320 or even this shape with a better suit. If we have a good save partner is still in the game after 4D and we haven't lost a ton unless they get to 5M instead of doubling us for 300 (ie 4D-4H-5D-5H instead of 5D-X-p-p-p). I just don't think this hand, which lacks the offense necessary for such a big bid and has some defense, is the right hand to go so big.

Also I think it's "normal" to open a hand with 1 less diamond 3D, even if you add a club in it's place. In general I think 1 extra trump should generally mean opening 1 level higher, not 2.

tbh I would much rather open 3D than 5D.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 14:43

Jlall, on Oct 25 2007, 10:19 PM, said:

looks like a completely standard 4D opener, what am I missing? :lol:

Nothing, as far as I can see.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 15:06

4♦, what Justin said
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Posted 2007-October-25, 17:15

4♦ seems right to me (Systemically, I have to open 3NT to show a 4-level minor suit preempt, as 4 of a minor is Namyats), but I know that my regular partner would open 5♦ (Maybe 8♦, since he opened 4♠ last night in IMP pairs on AQxxxx).
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Posted 2007-October-25, 18:20

Fore!
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Posted 2007-October-25, 18:38

I'm for 4♦. 5♦ for me shows quite a bit better hand. 5♦ down a bunch is rarely good as often they will not be able to make anything. Therefore I like a shot at making 5minor opposite a fairly ordinary (not bad) dummy.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 18:39

jdonn, on Oct 26 2007, 12:20 PM, said:

Fore!

But is that par?
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Posted 2007-October-25, 20:52

4♦ if I could, but I play Namyats, and 3NT shows AK/AQ.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 02:22

canonical 4D to me...
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