[P_Marlowe]

jillybean2, on Sep 27 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

I opened on:
AQJxxxx
xx
V
Jxxx

4♠ : 6♠ -1

I doubt that I could pass with my p's hand.

Hi,

I think 4S is on the boarder, 3S is probably enough,
but we are speaking about a matter of style.
And if you require, a slightly stronger hand for 4S, than
6S has some play.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[matmat]

5♠, exclusion.

[paulg]

Hannie, on Sep 28 2007, 04:56 AM, said:

I would have opened 3♠ on Kathryn's hand, but I can't fault 4♠.

Seems an obvious 4♠. I think you've spent too long in the US ... you'll be passing 12 counts next

Paul

[helene_t]

Kathryn, you have 14 cards. Which one should be discarded? If it's a red card, I agree with 4♠. If it's a club I would have opened 3♠.

Anyway, I think pass would be better than 6♠ but 6♠ is not really wrong if s/he expected your suit to be solid.

Since it's quite possible that slam only makes on a trump lead, maybe be should have bid 7 based on the theory that they always lead a trump against a grand

[SchTsch]

helene_t, on Sep 28 2007, 05:05 AM, said:

Kathryn, you have 14 cards. Which one should be discarded?

I guess we should discard ♦ void

[SchTsch]

For me this is a clear 4♠ opening as almost any 74 shape with some meat in the main suit is, and partner has an easy pass.

[helene_t]

SchTsch, on Sep 28 2007, 01:55 PM, said:

helene_t, on Sep 28 2007, 05:05 AM, said:

Kathryn, you have 14 cards. Which one should be discarded?

I guess we should discard ♦ void

Xango discards rule.

[ArcLight]

I dont like 4♠ vulnerable. Id have opened 3♠. You have the boss suit. Pard can bid as well. Maybe the opps bid when they shouldn't and pard can nail them.

[matmat]

ArcLight, on Sep 28 2007, 09:10 AM, said:

I dont like 4♠ vulnerable. Id have opened 3♠. You have the boss suit. Pard can bid as well. Maybe the opps bid when they shouldn't and pard can nail them.

if you have the boss suit, why not just open 1♠?
imo the hand is too good and p will not raise 3♠ to 4 on a lot of hands where 4 would be cold. . . .

[skjaeran]

Clear pass IMO. Of course you might make slam, but more often you'll go down in five. The opening was OK with me.

[ArtK78]

jillybean2, on Sep 27 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

I opened on:
AQJxxxx
xx
V
Jxxx

At what form of scoring?

Apparently, many of the posters are from outside of the US, and the standards for opening four level vulnerable preempts are less than is typical in the US.

I would not open 4♠ vul at IMPs on this hand, but it is close. If you add the ♠10 it is probably good enough.

At matchpoints, I don't have any real problem with the opening 4♠ bid at equal vul. I also would not have any problem with an opening 3♠ bid.

As far as the responder's problem, I can see why Roland would think about bidding on. I suspect that his standards for an opening 4♠ bid vulnerable are better than many of the posters. There are a lot of vulnerable 4♠ openings on which slam would be a claim.

I can also see why the posters are quick to pass as they open 4♠ much lighter than I am used to.

So, you have to know your own style to determine whether responder should bid on over 4♠. I know that with one of my partners, if he opened 4♠ at matchpoints and I held the responder's hand, I would pass and hope that he made it.

[jillybean]

4♠ is not for everyone, my preempt style is aggressive.
Ben taught me preempts and so had some influence on the style.

[han]

jillybean2, on Sep 28 2007, 12:21 PM, said:

4♠ is not for everyone, my preempt style is aggressive.
Ben taught me preempts and so had some influence on the style.

Do you know that Ben preempts quite conservatively when red?

[jillybean]

Hannie, on Sep 28 2007, 08:26 PM, said:

jillybean2, on Sep 28 2007, 12:21 PM, said:

4♠ is not for everyone, my preempt style is aggressive.
Ben taught me preempts and so had some influence on the style. 

Do you know that Ben preempts quite conservatively when red?

No I didn't , maybe it is my perception of aggressive that has changed.

[helene_t]

Jlall, on Sep 29 2007, 08:26 AM, said:

totally normal and fine 4S in my opinion.

Well, it still has 14 cards. How did the hand actually look like?

[jdonn]

helene_t, on Sep 29 2007, 02:06 AM, said:

Jlall, on Sep 29 2007, 08:26 AM, said:

totally normal and fine 4S in my opinion.

Well, it still has 14 cards. How did the hand actually look like?

V is void in most languages. I know it is a card in some, but you might have worked it out.

[jillybean]

helene_t, on Sep 29 2007, 12:06 AM, said:

Jlall, on Sep 29 2007, 08:26 AM, said:

totally normal and fine 4S in my opinion.

Well, it still has 14 cards. How did the hand actually look like?

(V)oid in ♦

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