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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2007-September-27, 15:38

Partner opens 4♠ 1st position - pass to you:

void
AJTxx
AKQxxx
K10
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Posted 2007-September-27, 15:45

GLP. Hopefully dummy will be useful, but not too useful.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 15:48

Vulnerability please?
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Posted 2007-September-27, 15:48

Clear pass.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 16:33

Pass. Doesn't matter what the vulnerability is.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 16:38

pclayton, on Sep 28 2007, 12:33 AM, said:

Pass. Doesn't matter what the vulnerability is.

I think it does. What prevents opener from having say

KQJ10xxxx
x
xx
Ax

if vulnerable? Now I can count 12 tricks even if spades are 4-1.

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Posted 2007-September-27, 16:55

I'd probably pass even when red against white.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-27, 16:57

Walddk, on Sep 27 2007, 04:38 PM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 28 2007, 12:33 AM, said:

Pass. Doesn't matter what the vulnerability is.

I think it does. What prevents opener from having say

KQJ10xxxx
x
xx
Ax

if vulnerable? Now I can count 12 tricks even if spades are 4-1.

Even at unfavourable, nothing prevents my partners from opening 4S with KQT98xxx xxx x x. I even gave him a club singleton and still you are likely to go down in 5S.
I think it is odds against to move over 4S at any vulnerability.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 17:15

Easy pass. Possible (but not likely) to miss slam if vul. Possible (but not likely) to go down in game if not vul. And who knows, I bet there are times it goes double p p back to me. Or I get to double them in something.

The vul should of course be given in a problem like this.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 17:22

Walddk, on Sep 27 2007, 05:38 PM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 28 2007, 12:33 AM, said:

Pass. Doesn't matter what the vulnerability is.

I think it does. What prevents opener from having say

KQJ10xxxx
x
xx
Ax

if vulnerable? Now I can count 12 tricks even if spades are 4-1.

Roland

Even if the 5-level was safe, do you have a way to find out if partner has that hand instead of the same hand without the spade jack? Do you have an invite that's subtle enough for partner to distinguish the two hands?
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Posted 2007-September-27, 17:54

Swish. NEXT!
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Posted 2007-September-27, 18:15

Both Vulnerable
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2007-September-27, 18:20

I pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-27, 18:53

jillybean2, on Sep 27 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Both Vulnerable

I think moving on is against the odds. I may miss a slam if I pass, but I think I am more likely to be set if I continue. When I pass here I just hope the one of the opps holds almost all of the missing HCP and does something like double or bid.

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Posted 2007-September-27, 19:04

I opened on:
AQJxxxx
xx
V
Jxxx

4♠ : 6♠ -1

I doubt that I could pass with my p's hand.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 19:17

jillybean2, on Sep 27 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

I opened on:
AQJxxxx
xx
V
Jxxx

4♠ : 6♠  -1

I doubt that I could pass with my p's hand.

PD blew it. If he wants to continue, why not 4NT ? Then after you show 1 key card, he can stop in 5♠.

As for you're opening..it is a bit of a stretch to think of it as 7 tricks, but I don't terribly mind it, but Red, I may wimp it and bid 3♠ which is also quite preemptive since if vul opps come into the auction and are wrong, they get hammered.

No criticism of your opening, jilly, just of PD's blast to 6♠ .. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2007-September-27, 19:28

It is even more your partner's fault, he really should pass. You had a normal hand for your bid. And 5 isn't safe. In fact, 4 isn't even totally safe.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 21:46

This is a normal 4♠ opening at both red.

It is actually a common B/I mistake not to be able to pass opposite a preempt with a lot of points but no fit.
Edit: The right thing to do opposite a preempt is not to count your points or to use rule of 17 or whatever, but just imagine possible hand from partner and see how many tricks partner is likely to take. Of course this is always a useful thing to do but it is maybe easiest to do so opposite a preempt, and thus a really good starting point to get into the habit.
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Posted 2007-September-27, 21:56

I would have opened 3♠ on Kathryn's hand, but I can't fault 4♠.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-28, 01:51

jillybean2, on Sep 27 2007, 04:38 PM, said:

Partner opens 4♠ 1st position - pass to you:

void
AJTxx
AKQxxx
K10

Hi,

vulnerability matters.

If we are green vs. red, you have to pass.
If we are red vs. green, you can try 5S.
Dont ask, what I would do at equal vul. ...

The most interesting card is the Queen of
clubs, but maybe, they dont lead clubs.


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