[matmat]

jtfanclub, on Sep 27 2007, 10:24 AM, said:

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AQJxxxxx
ATxx
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Would you open that 4♥?

no. i wouldn't. especially not opposite an unpassed p...

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[pclayton]

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How about...

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AQJxxxxx
ATxx
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Would you open that 4♥?

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I'll make an exception for a 7-4, and I definitely will with a 7-5. I won't have more than one trick of outside defense, and I usually won't have 2 aces.

Seriously, you've gone from a 7 bagger to an 8 bagger and a hand with no aces to a hand with 2 aces. I hope you're not really comparing the 2?

FWIW, I think that if you added the ♦K, (x, KQJT9xx, KJTxx, v) that I might consider 4♥ but if I did, I'm not selling out to 4♠.

[pclayton]

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n my universe, board 2 of BBO tournaments only have N/S vulnerable. tongue.gif

She did specify all vul. So she either has the board # wrong or the vulnerability wrong.

[helene_t]

oops, it was board 4.

[jtfanclub]

pclayton, on Sep 27 2007, 10:31 AM, said:

Seriously, you've gone from a 7 bagger to an 8 bagger and a hand with no aces to a hand with 2 aces. I hope you're not really comparing the 2?

Well, that is what I'm comparing, because the 8 bagger 2-ace hand is what I tend to have for a 4♥ bid 1st/2nd hand vulnerable and the other one isn't. And sadly enough, I thought that was standard. Must have grown up in a very conservative club.

So, sorry for wasting your time, but it wasn't a waste for me- now I know what to expect when my pick up partner opens 4♥!

[pclayton]

jtfanclub, on Sep 27 2007, 07:44 AM, said:

pclayton, on Sep 27 2007, 10:31 AM, said:

Seriously, you've gone from a 7 bagger to an 8 bagger and a hand with no aces to a hand with 2 aces. I hope you're not really comparing the 2?

Well, that is what I'm comparing, because the 8 bagger 2-ace hand is what I tend to have for a 4♥ bid 1st/2nd hand vulnerable and the other one isn't. And sadly enough, I thought that was standard. Must have grown up in a very conservative club.

So, sorry for wasting your time, but it wasn't a waste for me- now I know what to expect when my pick up partner opens 4♥!

Yes, perhaps it was the John Birch Society BC.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Sep 27 2007, 01:19 AM, said:

4♥ is obvious, I can't imagine anything else. When rho bids 4♠ a pass is obvious (though I can imagine doing something else, it would be pretty silly.)

I don't understand the mentality that if the opponents bid 4♠ over my 4♥ we automatically lose. Maybe they are missing slam, which happens a LOT on that auction. Maybe they are getting creamed in game (possibly to be doubled by partner). Maybe we get creamed at the 5 level. Maybe partner can use the info of the 4♠ bid to correctly bid 5♥. Maybe 4♠ is just the normal result. Of course I'm nowhere near 100% sure I'm glad when the auction goes that way. But please show me the auction with this hand that makes me 100% sure I'm glad it went that way (or even close to 100%). At least I have made them guess as best I can.

Absoultely agree.

[skjaeran]

jtfanclub, on Sep 27 2007, 05:24 PM, said:

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AQJxxxxx
ATxx
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Would you open that 4♥?

Never ever in 1st or 2nd seat. I'll be missing too many slams if I do.

[pclayton]

skaeran, on Sep 27 2007, 09:59 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Sep 27 2007, 05:24 PM, said:

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AQJxxxxx
ATxx
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Would you open that 4♥?

Never ever in 1st or 2nd seat. I'll be missing too many slams if I do.

Probably not in 3rd or 4th seat either.

[han]

I would in 3rd, probably also in 4th.

[skjaeran]

Hannie, on Sep 27 2007, 08:29 PM, said:

I would in 3rd, probably also in 4th.

Agree.

Btw that 1♥ vote is mine - a mistake. I'd open the OP hand 4♥, then pass.

[SchTsch]

4♥and then pass.

On a good day i might try some weird stuff but then I won't open 4♥. Probably 3♣, 1NT or stuff like that. If allowed of course.

[ArtK78]

Just another vote for 4♥ and then pass. Surprised that this hand would create such a ruckus.

[helene_t]

So the experts pass 4!s while many of the voters bid 5!d. I suspected that, as soon as I clicked the 5!d button I knew it was wrong. P would have loved to defend 4!s with AKxxx of spades and a void hearts.

[whereagles]

This hand has an ODR of 8. Such a high ODR is good for a FIVE hearts opener (if you play that as pree).

I'd start out with 4♥. Who knows, maybe this steals the pot? Over 4♠ I'll bid something. Probably hearts again.

[jdeegan]

Nobody has yet mentioned one of the basic rules for 7-5 hands - usually, don't try to play in the 5-3 fit because you are too likely to get tapped out. The 5-4 is fine, but the 7-1 (or even the 7-0) is far superior to the 5-3 if your suit quality is good. Therefore, if you do decide to bid again (not crazy on this hand, esp. if you need a board), bid 5♥.

[gwnn]

jdeegan, on Sep 29 2007, 09:26 AM, said:

Nobody has yet mentioned one of the basic rules for 7-5 hands - usually, don't try to play in the 5-3 fit because you are too likely to get tapped out. The 5-4 is fine, but the 7-1 (or even the 7-0) is far superior to the 5-3 if your suit quality is good. Therefore, if you do decide to bid again (not crazy on this hand, esp. if you need a board), bid 5♥.

i have.

[han]

jdeegan, on Sep 29 2007, 02:26 AM, said:

Nobody has yet mentioned one of the basic rules for 7-5 hands - usually, don't try to play in the 5-3 fit because you are too likely to get tapped out. The 5-4 is fine, but the 7-1 (or even the 7-0) is far superior to the 5-3 if your suit quality is good. Therefore, if you do decide to bid again (not crazy on this hand, esp. if you need a board), bid 5♥.

FYI bidding 5H is a gross insult to partner.

[whereagles]

Hannie, on Sep 29 2007, 05:46 PM, said:

FYI bidding 5H is a gross insult to partner.

Only if you believe preemptor should not bid further. I certainly don't believe that, and even less at the 4M level.

[han]

No, I meant bidding 5H instead of 5D. I would pass, but 5D makes some sense. 5H is insulting.