[gwnn]

RHO deals and opens 1♥ all vul IMP pairs

J752
Q
A9
AKQJ76

[awm]

I like 2♣, planning to double a heart raise or bid spades over partner's advance later on. Obviously this can backfire if the hand passes out and partner has something like five good spades and out. However, I've found that this approach usually works a bit better than starting with a double (planning to introduce clubs later if partner doesn't bid spades) because the level is annoyingly likely to be bumped. In other words, I am much happier bidding 1♥-2♣-3♥-P-P-X rather than 1♥-X-3♥-P-P-4♣. Note that it's not even clear we get to spades (if we have spades) on the second auction as partner is unlikely to be strong enough to bid spades at the three level and the double followed by 4♣ doesn't promise spades (it's a strong one-suiter).

[helene_t]

I voted 2♣ (Adam said why), although I disagree with the statement that dbl followed by 4♣ doesn't promise spades. I prefer a style in which a double promises tolerance (3, at the very least 2) for the unbid major(s), no matter how strong. Without spades, 3♥ would be an option (not on a 6-card vulnerable, of course).

[hrothgar]

Mark me down for 2♣ as well...

(For what its worth, double doesn't call to me. The only other bid that has much appeal is 3♥, however, I'd like another club or a bit more strength to consider this bid)

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Sep 25 2007, 03:57 PM, said:

I would X, keeps spades in play and I can bid clubs next if I need to. Obviously if it goes 1H X 4H p p I will be disappointed

And yet, still I'm only X in the polls...I'm glad that somebody agrees with me though.

[kenrexford]

I don't get it. This seems like an easy one. I overcall 2♣, and then I bid spades later.

[whereagles]

Well, I'm gonna contribute to your confusion, ken. I dbl

[han]

2C for me.

[kenrexford]

Just to have fun with the weed-smokers...

LHO deals and opens 1♥, all vul, IMP pairs.
Your partner overcalls 2♣.
RHO raises hearts to 3♥, some kind of mixed raise stuff.
You pass; Opener passes.
Partner bids 3♠.

What does partner have?

[jtfanclub]

It's just a point count thing for me...I don't want partner passing with KQxx xxxx Kxx xx or suchlike. Since I have a strong hand, and I can better show that hand with an X, I'll do it. If I were weaker, I'd bid 2♣.

But...that's just me.

[Free]

2♣ seems like the best start to me...

[drinbrasil]

I double. One of points is I have 7 tricks to play NT if partner bid 1NT i raise to 3.
But mainly is to let partner compete with spades not under total press.
I imagine what can be the diferences in (maybe you can help me thinking about):
a)
1H-2C-3H-P
P - X - P - ? (KQxx xxx xxx xxx)
(xxxx Axx Kxxx xx)
and b ):
1H-X-3H-?
(KQxx xxx xxx xxx)
(xxxx Axx Kxxx xx)

[Fluffy]

kenrexford, on Sep 25 2007, 09:07 PM, said:

I don't get it. This seems like an easy one. I overcall 2♣, and then I bid spades later.

First time I fully agree with you . I wouldn't even think of double as an alternative.

[mr1303]

Double seemed automatic to me. I've sufficient support for all the unbid suits (I know plenty people who would double with xx of diamonds with weaker hands). If it goes 1H X 4H P P I'll probably just pass the hand out, but I'm happy bidding clubs at the 3 and maybe 4 level otherwise, and I don't want to stop partner from bidding spades.

[skjaeran]

2♣. I've never considered hands like this a problem - maybe something is wrong with me?

[gwnn]

well yea 2♣? X? raptor nt? (actually this is stronger than any limited raptor) NOOOO.

I just learned in the junior lesson that 3♣ is good. Because "vulnerable we need tricks". And "what are we doing after X? what are we doing after 2♣?". I didn't get it.

[awm]

How are people selected to teach junior lessons on BBO? It seems like several times that things which are pretty far from conventional wisdom are taught as "standard" or "correct." Hopefully this is just one or two "out there" teachers and not the general trend.

[jtfanclub]

skaeran, on Sep 26 2007, 03:01 PM, said:

2♣. I've never considered hands like this a problem - maybe something is wrong with me?

Probably not...the hand again for reference.

♠J752
♥Q
♦A9
♣AKQJ76

How strong would it have to be for it to be a problem? If the Q were an A? How about the jack?

[kenrexford]

This "I have support for everything" theory seems odd to me.

We often make takeout doubles with 3-card support for one of the unbids, right? With a nice 15-count and 4342 pattern, for instance, we might double a 1♣ opening, as takeout. That makes sense.

However, it just seems that an overcall does not deny three or four cards in at least one of the unbid suits. I really cannot imagine, for instance, opting to double that 1♣ opening with ♠432 ♥AKQJxxx ♦Axx ♣void. A double would meet the definition, sort of. But it seems a bit wrong for some reason. I can't put my finger on it...