[drinbrasil]

IMPS
Playing NT (16 to 18), you have this hand:
♠Kxxx
♥Kx
♦A10xx
♣AQx

and bidding goes (maybe not perfect in your system):
1NT - 2♦
2♥ - 3♦
4♦ - 4NT*
5♥** - 5NT ***
?
*RKC ♦
** 2A without Q♦
***(guarantee all rkc + Q♦, is invite to 7, but you have option to show K♣ with 6♣ bid

do you bid 6♣,6♦,7♦ or other? why?

[jtfanclub]

Well, I can ruff hearts, and my king of spades looks good. 7♦ it is.

After all, I could have...

QJx
Kxx
ATxx
AQx

[han]

7♦.

Strongly prefer 6-keycard RKC in this auction.

[matmat]

would p RKC with xx (or xxx) in clubs? a good p would cue, so I suspect p has a stiff club. probably something like 3541 or 2551 or some such. (p wouldn't kc with a void either, i hope). if p is 2551 the grand is likely cold (or very nearly so). with 3541 there might be quite a bit of work to do in terms of ruffing out cards to establish winners. we would need hearts to break usefully (maybe p has ♥Q?) . I think i still bid 7d, in hopes of catching something else useful over there.

actually, i think 6h might not be a bad call. p can sign off in 6n or 7d with a little bit extra info or reask with 6s and we know what to do over that.

[pclayton]

I would have bid 3♠, not 4♦. Why pass up the opportunity to tell pard about a key card in our hand that also agrees diamonds as trump?

7♦ looks clear to me. We have all of the aces (and the trump KQ) and pard should not have two quick losers in a black suit. My ♥K is a huge card. At MPs I'd try to get to 7N opposite: ♠Ax ♥AQJxx ♦KQxxx ♣x, but at IMPs I'll give us a little insurance against a terrible heart break.

[WrecksVee]

I can not count 13 tricks. If I was sure that partner had 5-5 ♥ and ♦ I would bid 7♦. In my main partnership I would know that and this would not be a problem. I agree there are a lot of values that will make this work out. But I am discliplined or wimpy and will just bid 6♦. Perhaps denying the ♣K will help partner decide to bid 7.

[pclayton]

WrecksVee, on Sep 26 2007, 08:54 AM, said:

I can not count 13 tricks. If I was sure that partner had 5-5 ♥ and ♦ I would bid 7♦. In my main partnership I would know that and this would not be a problem. I agree there are a lot of values that will make this work out. But I am discliplined or wimpy and will just bid 6♦. Perhaps denying the ♣K will help partner decide to bid 7.

If pard has only a 5-4, then he has an extra black card doesn't he?

Construct a hand for pard that you are specifically worried about.

[keylime]

7♦ for me too; agree with Han that 6ARKCB is good here. Ready to claim at trick 2-3.

[sathyab]

pclayton, on Sep 26 2007, 11:58 AM, said:

WrecksVee, on Sep 26 2007, 08:54 AM, said:

I can not count 13 tricks.  If I was sure that partner had 5-5 ♥ and ♦ I would bid 7♦.  In my main partnership I would know that and this would not be a problem.  I agree there are a lot of values that will make this work out.  But I am discliplined or wimpy and will just bid 6♦.  Perhaps denying the ♣K will help partner decide to bid 7.

If pard has only a 5-4, then he has an extra black card doesn't he?

Construct a hand for pard that you are specifically worried about.

An extra black card won't really help as much an additional red card. AQx AQxxx KQxx x, would be a hand, that can definitely cause concern, but I doubt that he'd bid 4nt with that hand. With AQx AQJXX KQxx X, it's closer, although now he should be worrying about whether you have the King of Spades, as King of clubs won't do.

But regardless, given the fact he bid 4nt without the King of hearts, he was going to settle for 6D if you didn't show the King of hearts and try for 7D with it.

[Echognome]

sathyab, on Sep 26 2007, 09:17 AM, said:

But regardless, given the fact he bid 4nt without the King of hearts, he was going to settle for 6D if you didn't show the King of hearts and try for 7D with it.

Except for the fact that he keycarded for diamonds?

Easy 7♦, partner doesn't know about the ♥K!

[ArtK78]

It is hard to imagine that you could have a more suitable hand for partner than the one that you hold (well, you could hold the ♣K instead of the ♣Q).

Partner is inviting seven, so I bid it.

Normally, I want to be able to count 13 tricks before bidding a grand. But that is next to impossible on this auction. Partner is the one with the trick taking ability - he is likely to be 5-5 in the reds - possibly 6-4 or 6-5. Even if he is only 5-4, there should be good play for 13 tricks. You have all controls and monster trump support for him. Bid the grand.

If partner were interested in locating the ♣K, he could have bid 6♣. But you may not have an agreement as to the meaning of 6♣, so he took a call that he knew would cause no misunderstanding.

[jdonn]

With a partner I trust I bid 6♥, since I play 4♦ denies a heart fit this can't be an offer to play (and it wouldn't make sense above 6♦ anyway.) This might even let partner bid 6♠ to ask for the king. I would like to find 7nt even at imps if we have 13 tricks, it's still a couple of imps over 7♦.

Of course if I had any doubts about how partner might interpret that I would just bid 7♦.

[skjaeran]

pclayton, on Sep 26 2007, 06:39 PM, said:

I would have bid 3♠, not 4♦. Why pass up the opportunity to tell pard about a key card in our hand that also agrees diamonds as trump?

7♦ looks clear to me. We have all of the aces (and the trump KQ) and pard should not have two quick losers in a black suit. My ♥K is a huge card. At MPs I'd try to get to 7N opposite: ♠Ax ♥AQJxx ♦KQxxx ♣x, but at IMPs I'll give us a little insurance against a terrible heart break.

Nicely put, Phil. I agree if I'm playing with a partner I'm not 100% sure I can trust.

I'd have cuebid 3♠ over 3♦. 4♦ would show 3♥ and 4♦ in my methods. Without that agreement I'd never bypass any cuebid.

Playing with someone I trust 100% I'd bid 6♥ over 5NT, for reasons mentioned by Josh.

[SoTired]

7D, because:

1. I have 2 of the 3 missing kings.
2. If partner is 5-5 (or 6-4), we have 13 tricks
3. If partner is 5-4, we may have 13 tricks anyway
4. AT WORST, partner may have to fall back on the club finesse
Truscott Rule: If AT WORST, a grand depends on a finesse, bid it!

(Please everybody, notice the "AT WORST" phrase. I am not saying to bid a grand that depends on a finesse.)

[Free]

I'd rather bid 6♥, we may have an easy 13 tricks in NT so it's valuable to show ♥K imo...

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

6D.

6C is out, because unless I did not look hard enough,
I cant find the King of clubs in my hand.

Why 6 instead of 7? I have a min NT opener, and for
what ever reasons, partner was not interested in my
major suit Kings.
He could have bid 4H as a cue (showing the Ace since
I have the King) asking for a cue from my side, and
I would have been able to bid 4S.

I would suggest, that you use 5S as specific King ask,
and 5NT as sign off bid.

And please dont burn space, if you can find out the stuff
that interests you at a lower level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Having read the arguments for bidding 7D, I am
willing to change my mind, but I still bid 6D.