[zasanya]

Scoring: IMP

Bidding (ops silent.)
P-1♦-2NT-6NT

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Not very sound bidding but you are playing for high stakes.
Lead ♠ J you win in Hand.Finesse D .Wins.Back to hand with ♠.Finesse ♦. Both follow but finesse loses.♥ J returned.
How should one procede?

[Fluffy]

Maybe others can find something better, but since any squeeze is blind, I'd try ♠A, K,Q and if it doesn't work the club finese (winning ♥A in dummy)

[sathyab]

Holding off on the first round of Diamonds was good defense, for now you can't make the hand any more when the club Q was on. Regardless of where you win the heart, you can't take the club finesse and enjoy three clubs.

It appears as though West led from length in spades. The only chance I think is a double-squeeze for which the defense must co-operate. Cash the Ace of spades and run Diamonds. If the five-card ending is:

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the last Diamond wil squeeze RHO out of his club stopper. You throw a heart now and so does West. Now a heart squeezes West in the black suits.

But if East had kept clubs and thrown hearts earlier warning his pd that he should look after the majors, West would thow all his clubs and the sqeeze would evaportate unless East was the only one who could guard hearts to start with.

[Halo]

If we want the club finesse, we can take it before the second diamond finesse.

[sathyab]

Halo, on Sep 26 2007, 02:04 PM, said:

If we want the club finesse, we can take it before the second diamond finesse.

But the question that was posed was "How do you proceed" and it was after you've already used up the other high spade honor in hand to repeat the Diamond finesse.

If you want to take the club finesse before the second Diamond finesse, you have to come to hand with a spade. Now the club finesse loses and back comes a heart, which you have to win in dummy as you need the other heart entry to untangle clubs. The upshot of all this is that you have to cash both heart honors, cash clubs and then take the second Diamond finesse...

[Fluffy]

I must be blind or something, what does prevent us from making club finese?

[Fluffy]

I forgot to play at trick one, ok

[Halo]

sathyab, on Sep 26 2007, 02:17 PM, said:

But the question that was posed was "How do you proceed" and it was after you've already used up the other high spade honor in hand to repeat the Diamond finesse.

I think I am allowed to comment.

[zasanya]

[quote name='sathyab' date='Sep 26 2007, 01:26 PM']Holding off on the first round of Diamonds was good defense, for now you can't make the hand any more when the club Q was on. Regardless of where you win the heart, you can't take the club finesse and enjoy three clubs.

It appears as though West led from length in spades. The only chance I think is a double-squeeze for which the defense must co-operate. Cash the Ace of spades and run Diamonds. If the five-card ending is:

                           

This was the full hand

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Is there a real squeeze?

Even if there is a squeeze ,is taking [cl] finesse on trick 4 after [di] finesse has presumably won; the better play percentagewise?

[cherdano]

On this layout, there is a squeeze. Win the ♥J return with the ace, cash two diamonds, pitching a club on the second round. West can't pitch a heart, or you would get a double squeeze with clubs as the common suit (heart to king, spade to ace, play last diamond squeezing East out of his club stopper and then West out of his club or spade stopper).
So West has to pitch two clubs, and now you can play a double squeeze with hearts as the common suit (club A, club to K, spade to A, play last diamond).
I am bad in squeeze terminology but I think this is a compound squeeze.
Single dummy you have to guess which round suit West gave up (assuming he has 4 spades).

[sathyab]

cherdano, on Sep 27 2007, 04:13 PM, said:

On this layout, there is a squeeze. Win the ♥J return with the ace, cache two diamonds, pitching a club on the second round. West can't pitch a heart, or you would get a double squeeze with clubs as the common suit (heart to king, spade to ace, play last diamond squeezing East out of his club stopper and then West out of his club or spade stopper).
So West has to pitch two clubs, and now you can play a double squeeze with hearts as the common suit (club A, club to K, spade to A, play last diamond).
I am bad in squeeze terminology but I think this is a compound squeeze.
Single dummy you have to guess which round suit West gave up (assuming he has 4 spades).

Much better line, as it leaves the option open for a double-threat in either of the rounded suits. The only problem as you said is to guess which suit West has given up on the fourth Diamond. If he was dealt 4-2-2-5, he has two comfortable club pitches and now if you believe that he has given up clubs you will go wrong. But the tempo of the discarding might tell you that he had no problem with his club discards and that he therefore had only two hearts to start with. Or when he was dealt 4-4-2-3. Especially when the clubs don't include the Queen, he pitches one heart and then two clubs, and of course the squeeze wasn't going to work anyway.

[zasanya]

sathyab, on Sep 27 2007, 05:46 PM, said:

cherdano, on Sep 27 2007, 04:13 PM, said:

On this layout, there is a squeeze. Win the ♥J return with the ace, cache two diamonds, pitching a club on the second round. West can't pitch a heart, or you would get a double squeeze with clubs as the common suit (heart to king, spade to ace, play last diamond squeezing East out of his club stopper and then West out of his club or spade stopper).
So West has to pitch two clubs, and now you can play a double squeeze with hearts as the common suit (club A, club to K, spade to A, play last diamond).
I am bad in squeeze terminology but I think this is a compound squeeze.
Single dummy you have to guess which round suit West gave up (assuming he has 4 spades).

Much better line, as it leaves the option open for a double-threat in either of the rounded suits. The only problem as you said is to guess which suit West has given up on the fourth Diamond. If he was dealt 4-2-2-5, he has two comfortable club pitches and now if you believe that he has given up clubs you will go wrong. But the tempo of the discarding might tell you that he had no problem with his club discards and that he therefore had only two hearts to start with. Or when he was dealt 4-4-2-3. Especially when the clubs don't include the Queen, he pitches one heart and then two clubs, and of course the squeeze wasn't going to work anyway.

An even better line perhaps is to win ♥ in dummy and cash all ♦ pitching a
♣ and ♠(!) from hand leaving this 5 card position.
Dummy ♠ Ax ♥ x ♦--♣Kx
Hand ♠-- ♥Kx♦--♣Axx
West will be under pressure must keep 2♠ and guard either ♥ or ♣.
East will not be under pressure and can keep 2 cards ♥ and 3 cards of ♣ but on play of ♠ A he will be under pressure forced to unguard the suit that that W is guarding.For example,if W is guarding ♥ E will pitch a ♥.Now S pitches a ♣ comes to hand with ♣ and plays another ♣ to squeeze W.
On the other hand if W keeps 3♣ throwing his ♥ E will have to keep 2♥ and pitch a ♣.Now declarer can throw ♥ and play ♥ squeezing W.The key seems to be 'not playing third ♠ honor before cashing ♦.
This line works if ♠ are 3-3 or ♠ length is with W.
The issue still remains why this should be better % than ♣ finesse at trick 4.