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How wrong is this? just checking

Poll: How wrong is 2H? (57 member(s) have cast votes)

How wrong is 2H?

  1. 100% wrong, are you mad? (17 votes [29.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.82%

  2. between borderline and wrong (13 votes [22.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

  3. borderline (9 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  4. between borderline and right (9 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  5. 0% wrong, this is an obvious bid (9 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

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#1 User is offline   Free 

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Posted 2007-September-22, 03:57

You hold:
Scoring: IMP


The auction starts:
1♦ - pass - 2♣ - 2♥?

Opener is known to never psych, 2♣-bidder never psychs but sometimes overbids.

What do you think of this 2♥ bid?
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Posted 2007-September-22, 09:12

Totally fine and normal to me. Passers will get a nice spade lead from pard vs 3N, or defend when pard has KQxx Qxxx Axxx x etc
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Posted 2007-September-22, 09:14

You have four tricks so if you are down 3, it means partner had only one trick so opps probably have slam.
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Posted 2007-September-22, 09:30

2♥ is fine although I wouldn't fault passing either when vul. Bidding would be completely automatic not vul.
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Posted 2007-September-22, 12:42

How forcing is 2♣ ?
If it's game forcing, 2♥ looks obvious
If it's SAYC style, so they've promised invitational values, 2♥ is OK
If it's old-fashioned Acol style, it's effectively the same as overcalling directly over 1♠ and while it might work, it's dangerous, as you have to cater for your side having game on strength in this auction which makes the bid very wide range.
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Posted 2007-September-22, 13:25

2♥ isn't as obvious as 3♥ for me ;)
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Posted 2007-September-22, 13:45

I wouldn't bid 3♥. The opponents have already exchanged a fair amount of information so the upside is smaller, and it will be easier for them to penalize us. We are also vulnerable.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-22, 13:46

Interesting to see that 9 of the 18 voters consider 2H at least on the wrong side of borderline.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
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Posted 2007-September-23, 06:20

50/50

I think being red, tipps it,
but the bid is ok, risky, but
ok, but partner needs to be
understanding, if it comes to
close decisions.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2007-September-23, 09:40

For all of you who would bid 2♥, the auction continues:
1♦ - pass - 2♣ - 2♥
2NT - Dbl

What kind of hand do you give partner?
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Posted 2007-September-23, 12:36

One that can set 2NT. Easy pass for me now if partner is to be trusted. He probably has a strong unbalanced hand with long diamonds.
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Posted 2007-September-23, 12:43

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Posted 2007-September-24, 01:55

Free, on Sep 23 2007, 10:40 AM, said:

For all of you who would bid 2♥, the auction continues:
1♦ - pass - 2♣ - 2♥
2NT - Dbl

What kind of hand do you give partner?

No idea.

But actually I dont care, he hopefully
has the tricks to beat 2 NT.

Partner should have a fairly accurate
picture about my strength, assuming
he is not claiming "I always trust partner,
and never the opponents", ignoring the
fact, that it is nearly impossible, that one
of the 1D, 2C and 2NT bids were psych
bids.

With kind regards
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Posted 2007-September-24, 03:42

I really would love to see some partnerships between these:
100% wrong, are you mad? [ 11 ] [28.21

and these:
0% wrong, this is an obvious bid [ 7 ] [17.95%]
:)

My personal view is, that your pd must know, when you bid as weak as this and that he NEVER is allowed to hope for a single defensive trick in your hand.

If he knows, you can pass his double of 2 NT. Else, better pass 2 Club.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 03:49

Of course you must pass the double. P could have a void hearts and a diamond stack. In fact he must have doubled on the misfit - if he thought you could set up your hearts against 2N he would not double, since that would just help opps getting out of 2N.
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Posted 2007-September-24, 04:41

-2♥ as a lead director could work.
-As about partner's double in 2NT, i'll change partner after this board.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 09:15

This is a negative free bid. You either have the agreement with your partner to play them, or you don't. Stick to your agreements. By the way, negative free bids are alertable.
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Posted 2007-September-26, 09:22

No, it's not a freebid, it's an overcall.
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