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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2007-September-11, 22:56

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1C - (1D) - ??


Do you show your hearts or raise partner?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-September-11, 23:20

Hearts. I will likely get the chance to show clubs later if I get no support.

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Posted 2007-September-12, 00:57

Walddk, on Sep 12 2007, 02:20 PM, said:

Hearts. I will likely get the chance to show clubs later if I get no support.

Roland

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Posted 2007-September-12, 01:12

Hearts, what else?

I can always show clubs later,
... I have no problems upto 3C.

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Posted 2007-September-12, 01:31

My concern regarding bidding 1♥ is that partner might lead a ♥ if opponents buy the contract and he is on lead...
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Posted 2007-September-12, 02:14

I show my hearts.

As I said to my BIL session on Monday, the better the expert the more club fits they miss ... you just need to watch vugraph!

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Posted 2007-September-12, 02:22

Do we even have club fit? :P
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Posted 2007-September-12, 02:24

♥ :P
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Posted 2007-September-12, 02:59

Rossoneri, on Sep 12 2007, 09:31 AM, said:

My concern regarding bidding 1♥ is that partner might lead a ♥ if opponents buy the contract and he is on lead...

I am not going to worry about that at this point. I know what you mean; say it comes back to me with 4♠ to my left and I decide to pass.

Yes, there is a risk that partner leads a heart from a holding that gives a trick away, but how can I be sure that he will lead a club even if I support right away? If I support, I don't promise a good suit, just like a 1♥ response does not show a strong suit.

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Posted 2007-September-12, 03:43

♥ seems clear
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Posted 2007-September-12, 04:16

Unanimous? 1H.
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Posted 2007-September-12, 04:26

Yeah, 1♥ I suppose, but only because we have an invitational hand, where heart support makes a big difference to the level we want to play at. If the hand was any weaker, or any stronger, I would be showing clubs first.
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Posted 2007-September-12, 06:45

Raise partner. Support with support and all.
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Posted 2007-September-12, 07:11

You might have a game in H and a part score in C, how hard a choice is this? Remarks about opening leads etc do not fly. Gee how many times have you held J5th of a suit and AKQx in another, does that mean you bid the 4 bagger first. Would it be any different if you actually had Qxxx in H, I think not.

Support with support does not override TELLING partner something that may be valuable to them in game going situations, which this may well be. Not bidding H is simply, not your decision to make.
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Posted 2007-September-12, 07:50

TimG, on Sep 12 2007, 08:45 AM, said:

Raise partner. Support with support and all.

Would you bid 1♥ if the ♣King and ♥8 were interchanged, i.e. if your round suits were

♥KTxx
♣QJ8xx

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Posted 2007-September-12, 08:02

At IMPs we make our living by getting to game if possible. If we have a 4-4 ♥ fit that's a far easier game to make than 5♣. So to me it's obvious to show my heart suit first. We can get the club suit into the picture later on if needed.
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Posted 2007-September-12, 09:02

This may look like a unanimous panel but my partner was way ahead of you and bid 2D. It worked out all right because we landed in 3NT making (got some help!) while the other table went down in 4H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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  Posted 2007-September-12, 09:29

I bid a heart; pard may have opened 1C on a 3 card crap minor. We can always show clubs again.

2D cuebid isn't the worse bid either; I would think that showing a major would be 1st in the queue after the cuebid raise in terms of strain - I don't think that the cuebid denies a major per se.
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Posted 2007-September-12, 09:30

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Posted 2007-September-12, 10:20

mcphee, on Sep 12 2007, 08:11 AM, said:

Support with support does not override TELLING partner something that may be valuable to them in game going situations, which this may well be. Not bidding H is simply, not your decision to make.

Not bidding hearts immediately does not mean that hearts can't ever be shown.
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