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Axx
xx
A109xx
J10xP - P - 1♣ - P
1NT - 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♥
3♠ - P - 5♣ - P -
P - 5♥ - P - P -
your bid
Mike
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What will you bid?
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Posted 2004-January-28, 20:26
Imps, Swiss, Nobody Vul
Axx
xx
A109xx
J10x
P - P - 1♣ - P
1NT - 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♥
3♠ - P - 5♣ - P -
P - 5♥ - P - P -
your bid
Mike
Axx xx A109xx J10xP - P - 1♣ - P
1NT - 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♥
3♠ - P - 5♣ - P -
P - 5♥ - P - P -
your bid
Mike
“If there is dissatisfaction with the status quo, good. If there is ferment,
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
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Posted 2004-January-28, 20:52
What is the strength of the opening NT bid, please?
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2004-January-28, 20:59
The_Hog, on Jan 28 2004, 09:52 PM, said:
What is the strength of the opening NT bid, please?
1 NT opening is 15-17.
Mike
“If there is dissatisfaction with the status quo, good. If there is ferment,
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
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Posted 2004-January-28, 21:27
From the original mispost I thought Pd had opened 1N, hence the question.
Do I read the aucion correctly?
P (P) 1C (P)
1N (2C) 2D (3H)
3S (P) 5C (P)
P (5H) P P
?
If so I would need an explanation of 2C. Probably for the Majors with longer H?
A double looks correct here. I am not going to shoot for a problematical slam when partner can only bid 5C over my 3S bid.
Do I read the aucion correctly?
P (P) 1C (P)
1N (2C) 2D (3H)
3S (P) 5C (P)
P (5H) P P
?
If so I would need an explanation of 2C. Probably for the Majors with longer H?
A double looks correct here. I am not going to shoot for a problematical slam when partner can only bid 5C over my 3S bid.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2004-January-29, 00:28
6♣, what else?
Logic....
Yes, I was willing to take +400 in 5♣
Yes, 5♥X is worth +500 for us, +800 if I can give partner a ♠ ruff
So, why not take the sure plus of 5♥X? Because on this auction, 6♣ is virtually laydown if they can't ruff a ♦ at trick one. (If LHO doubles 6♣ I will run to 6♦ and hope it wasn't a psychic lightner double with 6-5-2-0 distribution, getting a second lightner double).
Why is 6♣ laydown? Partner didn't bid 3NT over 3♠ attempt to get in 3NT. PArtner didn't bid 4♥ on way to 5♣ over 3♠, and yet he Made a forcing pass over 5♥.
It doesn't take a psychic to see what partner has, no ♥A, no ♠A, no ♦A and yet he invites 6♣ with this pass. First, he has to have a singleton ♥ (you denied a ♥ stopper), and to be inviting slam missing three aces, he has all the good remaining cards. Surely his hand is on of the following.
If not, take your partner aside and explain the meaning of FORCING PASS to him.
Logic....
Yes, I was willing to take +400 in 5♣
Yes, 5♥X is worth +500 for us, +800 if I can give partner a ♠ ruff
So, why not take the sure plus of 5♥X? Because on this auction, 6♣ is virtually laydown if they can't ruff a ♦ at trick one. (If LHO doubles 6♣ I will run to 6♦ and hope it wasn't a psychic lightner double with 6-5-2-0 distribution, getting a second lightner double).
Why is 6♣ laydown? Partner didn't bid 3NT over 3♠ attempt to get in 3NT. PArtner didn't bid 4♥ on way to 5♣ over 3♠, and yet he Made a forcing pass over 5♥.
It doesn't take a psychic to see what partner has, no ♥A, no ♠A, no ♦A and yet he invites 6♣ with this pass. First, he has to have a singleton ♥ (you denied a ♥ stopper), and to be inviting slam missing three aces, he has all the good remaining cards. Surely his hand is on of the following.
, or
If not, take your partner aside and explain the meaning of FORCING PASS to him.
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Posted 2004-January-29, 01:56
Ben with either of those hands I would bid 4S over the 3S bid - and you would as well!
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Posted 2004-January-29, 09:36
While it is true I Would bid 4♠ with either of the earlier hands (assuming and explaination of 2♣ is for the majors), I wasn't given the north hand to bid (I would have started off with an unusual over unusual response instead of 2♦, which I myself play as not forcing here... given the opportunitity for uvu).
However, let's weaken north hand by one card, take the ♠K away, now no 4♠ cue-bid is available. Now I would never think of bidding 4♠, and guess what, 6♣ is still a great contract... 6♣+5♦+1♠. Of course why partner would make a forcing pass without the ♠K (after all he not know about my fifth ♦), I don't know. Maybe he has 2-1-3-7 and is counting on long ♦ from me for the 1NT bid.
But no, if my partner makes a forcing pass and I hold this hand, I am obligated to bid 6♣... at the very least I should at least win the postmortum. If partner has a hand like... ♠xx ♥x ♦KQxx ♣AQxxxx we are going to have to have a long long talk.
Ben
However, let's weaken north hand by one card, take the ♠K away, now no 4♠ cue-bid is available. Now I would never think of bidding 4♠, and guess what, 6♣ is still a great contract... 6♣+5♦+1♠. Of course why partner would make a forcing pass without the ♠K (after all he not know about my fifth ♦), I don't know. Maybe he has 2-1-3-7 and is counting on long ♦ from me for the 1NT bid.
But no, if my partner makes a forcing pass and I hold this hand, I am obligated to bid 6♣... at the very least I should at least win the postmortum. If partner has a hand like... ♠xx ♥x ♦KQxx ♣AQxxxx we are going to have to have a long long talk.
Ben
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Posted 2004-January-29, 10:55
Weird,
Dbl if this costs less than 12 I have a good result.
Next board please.
Dbl if this costs less than 12 I have a good result.
Next board please.
The legend of the black octogon.
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Posted 2004-February-02, 13:33
6 goes down while 6 is icecold. Pd's hand
x
K
KQxxx
AKQxxx
North is void in, so with a lightner X 6 goes down 2.
Mike
goes down while 6 is icecold. Pd's hand x K KQxxx AKQxxxNorth is void in
, so with a lightner X 6 goes down 2.Mike
“If there is dissatisfaction with the status quo, good. If there is ferment,
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
so much the better. If there is restlessness, I am pleased. Then let there
be ideas, and hard thought, and hard work.”
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Posted 2004-February-02, 13:40
Trpltrbl, on Feb 2 2004, 02:33 PM, said:
6 goes down while 6 is icecold. Pd's hand
x
K
KQxxx
AKQxxx
North is void in, so with a lightner X 6 goes down 2.
Mike
goes down while 6 is icecold. Pd's hand x K KQxxx AKQxxxNorth is void in
, so with a lightner X 6 goes down 2.Mike
Which is why I said in my reply....
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"If LHO doubles 6♣ I will run to 6♦ and hope
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it wasn't a psychic lightner double with 6-5-2-0 distribution,
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getting a second lightner double)."Be a boyscout and be preparered. :-) I can't imagine sitting in 6♣ after a ligthner double, especially against a pedestrian pair who would not think of a psychic ligthner double. Five club bidder hand is just about perfect for this auction. It is his partner, who hearing the lightner double should pull to the safer 6♦ as I suggested.
Ben
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