[PedroG]

Hi all,

And in advance thank for all the post and answers in this forum, it's a great place to discuss the hands

A SAYC partner, played a few time...

He open 2♣, and I have this huge hand in front of me...

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I did had to count again because I tought that there was more than 40HCP on this board, but counted at leat 38 on our side, so a Q may be out...

Should I only bid 2♥ saying that I have ♥ a plus than 8 pts or do I have any other available bid?

Ty
Pedro Gil

[the hog]

Opposite a real 2C opening you might as well just bid 7NT. The problem is that what some players think is a 2C opening is really a 1 level suit opening. So in that respect you were probably right to bid 2H and see what transpires.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

unless you require a certain HCP count
for 2C, partner may well have less than
20.

So I would suggest to go slowly, bid 2H,
which forces to game and shows a great
suit, the nice thing being, that you have
a easy 3H rebid, should partner bid 3C.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

You could bid 3♥ but that would take a solid suit, I think. 2♥ is better.

Note that this does not merely show 8+ points and 5+ hearts. It shows a reasonable suit. I think Kxxxx is minimum but many require more than that. Something to discuss with p.

You bid 2♦ with any hand without a good suit, no matter how strong. Say AQxx-Jxxxx-Axxx-void.

Like Ron, I prefer a 2♣ opening style that would allow you to bid 7NT immediately with this hand. This is because a 2♣ opening must have enough defensive strength to respect p's penalty double in case opps preempt or sac.

[Gerben42]

2♥ is okay. 3♥ is okayer, that doesn't show a solid suit but a 1-loser one. Not sure why though... hard to see this end somewhere else than 7 something.

[FrancesHinden]

The_Hog, on Jul 13 2007, 10:37 AM, said:

Opposite a real 2C opening you might as well just bid 7NT. The problem is that what some players think is a 2C opening is really a 1 level suit opening. So in that respect you were probably right to bid 2H and see what transpires.

I agree. Unless you know partner well it's most likely that he doesn't have a real 2C opener...

[PedroG]

Hi All,

Well I decide myself at the time, and with little time required to bid, for the 3♥, wich my partner raised to 4♥ and I just bid out 7♥...

Well partner didn't had the hand I was expecting, but then

A 2C Opening

Pedro

[jillybean]

haha, was your partner a bbo expert?

[barmar]

lol, someone forgot to tell her that weak 2's only apply to ♦, ♥, and ♠.

Actually, there's a thread in rec.games.bridge where someone said they have a beginner friend who would like to try going to the club, and she wondered what conventions she should teach her -- Stayman, Blackwood, Weak 2, Strong 2♣? Several responders suggested that she teach her 4-suited weak 2's, to avoid confusing her and because the monster hands don't come up that often.

Looks like she found you

[Winstonm]

Although it is surely right this time to bid only 2H, if you have an interest in a regular partnership you may want to have a look at a small article I had published in this month's issue of Bridge World on the benefits of using a transfer positive response.

I don't think this is too tough for intermediates used to Jacoby transfers as the priciple is the same.

The basic idea of using a transfer positve is this: when you have 2 unknowns (such as suit quality and number of aces and kings) a single bid cannot show the answer to both. However, if a condition is pre-assigned (2 of the top 3 for a postive in a suit response, for example), then by using a transfer, the second question can be answered.

An example: 2C-2H* *I have a spade suit with 2 of the top 3 honors.
2S** ** Fine, I like spades. How many aces/kings do you have?

[pclayton]

I'm even fine with a 2♦ response if I'm not sure about the direction, or what our agreements are.

[PedroG]

Winstonm, on Jul 13 2007, 12:23 PM, said:

Want to have a look at a small article I had published in this month's issue of Bridge World on the benefits of using a transfer positive response.

Hi I would have but not yet a subscriber of that magazine, I'm not yet sure if it's a too advanced magazine for me a mere Novice to read

So I'm letting that to another budget and time...

Ty
Pedro

[PedroG]

Jlall, on Jul 13 2007, 12:26 PM, said:

2H, when you have a big hand without clear direction is the BEST time to go slowly.

Yes Yes, I understand go slow, my first click was on the 7 soo I think 3 was quite slow

But yes I see now that 2♥, facing a real 2♣ would be the best bid...

TY
Pedro

[neilkaz]

PedroG, on Jul 13 2007, 02:17 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 13 2007, 12:26 PM, said:

2H, when you have a big hand without clear direction is the BEST time to go slowly.

Yes Yes, I understand go slow, my first click was on the 7 soo I think 3 was quite slow

But yes I see now that 2♥, facing a real 2♣ would be the best bid...

TY
Pedro

We'll assume PD has a normal strong 2♣ opener. When you bid 2♥ you force to game and leave tons of room for slam investigation. Jumping directly to 7♥ would be terrible, and if fact I would have bid 4NT after PD's raise to 4♥ just on the off chance PD has only 20 HCP and you are missing an ace. The purpose of Blackwood is to stay out of bad slams.

When you jump to 3 over an opening 2♣ you should show a solid suit so opener can really on it for a source of tricks.

Just my understandings .. neilkaz ..

[mike777]

PedroG, on Jul 13 2007, 02:13 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Jul 13 2007, 12:23 PM, said:

Want to have a look at a small article I had published in this month's issue of Bridge World on the benefits of using a transfer positive response.

Hi I would have but not yet a subscriber of that magazine, I'm not yet sure if it's a too advanced magazine for me a mere Novice to read

So I'm letting that to another budget and time...

Ty
Pedro

Bridge World is a great value for 78$ or so a year.
Sure there is alot of advanced or expert stuff in there such as Winston's, Phil Clayton, other forum members wonderful articles but I think any player, even we B/I get wonderful entertainment for 78$ bucks or so a year.

[mike777]

PedroG, on Jul 13 2007, 04:05 AM, said:

Hi all,

And in advance thank for all the post and answers in this forum, it's a great place to discuss the hands

A SAYC partner, played a few time...

He open 2♣, and I have this huge hand in front of me...

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ Q72 ♥ AKJT87 ♦ AQ2 ♣ 6

I did had to count again because I tought that there was more than 40HCP on this board, but counted at leat 38 on our side, so a Q may be out...

Should I only bid 2♥ saying that I have ♥ a plus than 8 pts or do I have any other available bid?

Ty
Pedro Gil

btw this is really great question. Thanks for posting.
This is the best deal I have seen posted for B/I, ever. So much to discuss.

[PedroG]

mike777, on Jul 13 2007, 10:25 PM, said:

Bridge World is a great value for 78$ or so a year.
Sure there is alot of advanced or expert stuff in there such as Winston's, Phil Clayton, other forum members wonderful articles but I think any player, even we B/I get wonderful entertainment for 78$ bucks or so a year.

Thank You...

I tought it was mainlly a Intermediate+/Advance magazine, but I will give it a try

BTW - For me it's more $144

Pedro

[PedroG]

jillybean2, on Jul 13 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

haha, was your partner a bbo expert? 

I understand what you mean, I'm new to bridge, just been playing for less than 2 month's, so I decide that I should put Novice on my skill level. I think it's a warning to anyone that wish to play with me.

The problem with skill level at BBO, is that there are ppl that don't ever want to play with Begginers or Novices because they think they are much better...

A few days back someone told me to change my skill level if I wanted someone to play with me, and he is right, if you put Novice on your profile you tend to be the one who always make the mistake, even if your casual pd is the one that provokes it.

And get a lot of ppl that say incredible things to you like they were experts, like a Adv that open 1NT with 20HCP, and when I asked why, because we landed in 3NT when we had probably more, he said to me that I didn't known a thing, that I should go and learn first (In that he is right).

Note : just found the game (Unusual NT

My decision is that the skill level is a tool for me, and even if it brings me some problems it should reflect what I think is my skill level, and I will not change to be able to play with better players Even if that makes me a bit sad.

I think we could make like a two level, one choosed by the player and another based on the users that the player has played with...

Ty
Pedro

[Echognome]

mike777, on Jul 13 2007, 07:29 PM, said:

btw this is really great question. Thanks for posting.
This is the best deal I have seen posted for B/I, ever. So much to discuss.

In no way am I putting down the poster's question, but this statement baffles me.

You may never see a hand like this again after a 2♣ opening, at least a *real* 2♣ opening in terms of standard systems. The odds of holding this many high cards opposite a 2♣ opener is probably something like 0.0001%. So I'm not sure we're going to be too worried about it.

Even when you forget that part, it's very easy to GF opposite a 2♣ opening.

So what are all these issue?