[jocdelevat]

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Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     1♦    Pass  1♠
 Pass  2♥    Pass  ?


*partner playing reverse and is advance level. We play SAYC.

1.what you bid now
2.should have use sjs first time

thank you in advance for advise

[FrancesHinden]

With my regular partner, with whom I have discussed reversing agreements, I would bid 3D natural and forcing.

If I am worried that partner might pass that, I would bid 4D which surely is lots of diamonds and forcing.

If you made me guess the final contract now, it would be 7D. But a nice simple approach to the auction is to agree diamonds are trumps and then cue bid/use Blackwood/use grand slam force..

[jtfanclub]

jocdelevat, on Jul 12 2007, 09:52 AM, said:

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Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     1♦    Pass  1♠
 Pass  2♥    Pass  ?


*partner playing reverse and is advance level. We play SAYC.

1.what you bid now
2.should have use sjs first time

thank you in advance for advise

Since I care about the K of hearts, and don't care about the K of diamonds (since I can see it), I'll just 4NT RKC right now. If partner has two keys, I'll bid 6 diamonds, if he has all three and the queen of hearts, I'll bid 7.

[TimG]

jtfanclub, on Jul 12 2007, 10:31 AM, said:

jocdelevat, on Jul 12 2007, 09:52 AM, said:

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Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ AKJ754 ♥ A7 ♦ K984 ♣ 9

West  North East  South

-    1♦    Pass  1♠
Pass  2♥    Pass  ?


*partner playing reverse and is advance level. We play SAYC.

1.what you bid now
2.should have use sjs first time

thank you in advance for advise

Since I care about the K of hearts, and don't care about the K of diamonds (since I can see it), I'll just 4NT RKC right now. If partner has two keys, I'll bid 6 diamonds, if he has all three and the queen of hearts, I'll bid 7.

Wouldn't that be rather bad if opener has something like:

♠ x
♥ QJTx
♦ AQJxx
♣ AKx

[jtfanclub]

TimG, on Jul 12 2007, 10:46 AM, said:

Wouldn't that be rather bad if opener has something like:

♠ x
♥ QJTx
♦ AQJxx
♣ AKx

Sure, until somebody overruffed a spade.

Seriously, the example yougive has 32 hcp between the two. If I miss a 32 hcp grand, I just don't worry about it.

[the hog]

FrancesHinden, on Jul 12 2007, 10:12 PM, said:

With my regular partner, with whom I have discussed reversing agreements, I would bid 3D natural and forcing.

If I am worried that partner might pass that, I would bid 4D which surely is lots of diamonds and forcing.

If you made me guess the final contract now, it would be 7D. But a nice simple approach to the auction is to agree diamonds are trumps and then cue bid/use Blackwood/use grand slam force..

What she said.

[Fluffy]

This depedns on your agreements

Some play 2♠ forcing, if its avaible, bid it

Some play 3♦ forcing, if its avaible, bid it

If neither is avaible 4♦, at MPs I would bid 3♣ to try to play in spades rather than ♦.

[FrancesHinden]

jtfanclub, on Jul 12 2007, 04:31 PM, said:

jocdelevat, on Jul 12 2007, 09:52 AM, said:

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Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ AKJ754 ♥ A7 ♦ K984 ♣ 9

West  North East  South

 -     1♦    Pass  1♠
 Pass  2♥    Pass  ?


*partner playing reverse and is advance level. We play SAYC.

1.what you bid now
2.should have use sjs first time

thank you in advance for advise

Since I care about the K of hearts, and don't care about the K of diamonds (since I can see it), I'll just 4NT RKC right now. If partner has two keys, I'll bid 6 diamonds, if he has all three and the queen of hearts, I'll bid 7.

In my regular partnerships I play 4NT as natural here, as I can easily agree hearts or diamonds should I want to. But I would expect a random partner to respond to RKCB in hearts.

However, why not agree diamonds first?

If you just bid RKCB now you cannot find out about the DQ and may end in 7D needing a 2-2 break, or miss 7D opposite Qx QJxx AQJxx AK

I agree that sometimes you just have to guess, but you are only at the 2-level now; there is plenty of room to find out if partner has the right hand.

[ochinko]

I don't play strong jump shifts. I like your 1♠ bid.

I'd always go through 3♣ now even with a pickup partner, since it's the cheapest forcing bid, and I don't know yet where we are heading to. Bidding 3♣ with a singleton/void appears to be non-standard though, and I took a lot of criticism when I suggested such a bid in one of the BPO's here.

The least exciting bid from partner now is 3NT because it suggests a ♣ stopper, and therefore wasted values in clubs, and also no ♠ fit. A slam is still in the picture though.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 3D, forcing, you have found a 5-4
fit, tell it partner
#2 1S is fine, 2S as well, as long as you
are sure, that 2S will get interpereted
as sjs

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: #1 If you are worried, that 3D gets passed,
bid 3C FSF, you will learn, if partner has 3 card
spade support, also you may find out, if he has
wastage in clubs.

[DWM]

Is 3♦ forcing standard here?

I thought it would only be forcing if you agreed to use Lebenshol after a reverse?

[jtfanclub]

FrancesHinden, on Jul 13 2007, 05:18 AM, said:

However, why not agree diamonds first?

If you just bid RKCB now you cannot find out about the DQ and may end in 7D needing a 2-2 break, or miss 7D opposite Qx QJxx AQJxx AK

I agree that sometimes you just have to guess, but you are only at the 2-level now; there is plenty of room to find out if partner has the right hand.

What do you plan to bid over 1 ace? If your partner has 1 ace and the king of hearts, I like my chances in slam. If he has 1 ace but not the the king of hearts, then I'll settle for 5.

If I'm playing with you, I'll bid 3 clubs, and expect you to pattern out your hand followed by advanced Italian pasta bids with a light marinara sauce. But this is the Beginner/Intermediate forum. If I bid 3 diamonds, partner might pass. If I bid 4 diamonds, partner might bid 5, even on hands where slam is ice cold. Why shouldn't he? I haven't shown this kind of power. And if you were playing with me, would you be confident that I'd do the right thing if I was the person doing the reverse? If so, you have more faith in me than I do.

Sure, I'll go down in 7 diamonds when partner doesn't have 6 diamonds AND diamonds don't break 2-2 AND partner doesn't have the queen of diamonds AND the queen of diamonds doesn't drop singleton AND the opponent doesn't lead his singleton diamond and make life easy for me. If the idea of a 52% or so grand slam bothers me, I can just not bid it.

But if you're not playing advance cue bids, it looks to me like you may end up guessing whether you should be in six if you don't bid RKC now- you may not get a chance to bid RKC at all, and some auctions (1♦-1♠-2♥-3♣-4♣-4♦) it may stop being clear what the heck is going on. I'd like to be assured of six before I start thinking about percentages in seven.

[helene_t]

DWM, on Jul 13 2007, 01:37 PM, said:

Is 3♦ forcing standard here?

I thought it would only be forcing if you agreed to use Lebenshol after a reverse?

Could be. I suppose some would say that with a fit for opener's second suit, responder's hand improves enough to force to game. Depends on your style.

Otherwise you'd have to use FSF with many different hands.

[ArcLight]

Jlall, on Jul 13 2007, 12:27 PM, said:

I would bid 3C with a pickup partner on BBO.

Buy your pick up pards all have stars.

[P_Marlowe]

DWM, on Jul 13 2007, 06:37 AM, said:

Is 3♦ forcing standard here?

I thought it would only be forcing if you agreed to use Lebenshol after a reverse?

unclear, but you claimed your partner
is advanced, and forcing is standard
given a certain level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Winstonm]

The_Hog, on Jul 12 2007, 05:51 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jul 12 2007, 10:12 PM, said:

With my regular partner, with whom I have discussed reversing agreements, I would bid 3D natural and forcing.

If I am worried that partner might pass that, I would bid 4D which surely is lots of diamonds and forcing.

If you made me guess the final contract now, it would be 7D. But a nice simple approach to the auction is to agree diamonds are trumps and then cue bid/use Blackwood/use grand slam force..

What she said.

What he/she said.