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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2007-April-24, 18:10

I played in another rookie/master game at the club last night, 30+ tables, a great night, a lot of fun, good bridge and hand records and analysis. :)

I got to play with my favorite partner and we had some good boards but a lot of bad ones early on due to me defending with just 13cards and not watching my partner signals – reoccurring theme here.

During a break between rounds my partner tells me she has just got a PC set up at home. I thought great, another person to play with. When I suggested she look me up on BBO she said oh no I won’t be doing that until I’m too old” (to play at the club). She’s 80something :)
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Posted 2007-April-25, 01:24

In Romania, the appearance of BBO cut club attendances to about half. I guess people here get old quicker <_<
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Posted 2007-April-25, 01:47

As a child, I couldn't afford my own computer so I was doomed to play IRL. So I'd say "too old" is 16 or such.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 03:31

Boris Schapiro won the European senior pairs at 90.

You're never too old.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 05:50

That statistic about Romanian bridge club attendances scares me. I would choose face to face over online bridge any day. It's good practice, but no substitute and not as much fun as playing in person, imo.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 09:09

helene_t, on Apr 25 2007, 02:47 AM, said:

As a child, I couldn't afford my own computer so I was doomed to play IRL. So I'd say "too old" is 16 or such.

Helene I really sympathize with you. As a child I was not able to afford to buy myself a computer also. Finally one day I had enough money for a slide ruler, but that did not seem to impress my school buddies too much.

There is this really neat video game out there called Pong. I love it and hopefully one day can afford my own.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 11:44

whereagles, on Apr 25 2007, 11:31 AM, said:

Boris Schapiro won the European senior pairs at 90.

You're never too old.

I believe Boris was 89... Else agree :D
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Posted 2007-April-25, 12:14

skaeran, on Apr 25 2007, 05:44 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 25 2007, 11:31 AM, said:

Boris Schapiro won the European senior pairs at 90.

You're never too old.

I believe Boris was 89... Else agree :D

Well, the daily bulletin said 90. But let's not haggle with this :)
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Posted 2007-April-25, 15:25

brianshark, on Apr 25 2007, 04:50 AM, said:

That statistic about Romanian bridge club attendances scares me. I would choose face to face over online bridge any day. It's good practice, but no substitute and not as much fun as playing in person, imo.

I agree! If I had more free time I would play at the club a lot more than I do now, other commitments prevent me doing that. I find it quite a different game playing live.

Its hard to compare the 2, online is not anywhere near as civilized as playing live but it has other benefits, no time constrints, partnership bidding, electronic records, instant replay, unlimited pool of “experts” for advice, Vugraph..and so on.

Not to mention being able to just get up and leave a table if you don’t like your cards or the players. :)
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Posted 2007-April-25, 17:15

I find playing online has a negative effect on my game... I tend to pay a lot less attention and thus not improve as much as I could.
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Posted 2007-April-25, 17:19

goobers, on Apr 25 2007, 06:15 PM, said:

I find playing online has a negative effect on my game... I tend to pay a lot less attention and thus not improve as much as I could.

OTOH hand how often do you play in f2f and have time to improve from only f2f playing? I think for the vast majority of us nonexperts, we have much more time for online than f2f counting drive times but more distractions. B)
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Posted 2007-April-25, 17:33

mike777, on Apr 25 2007, 06:19 PM, said:

goobers, on Apr 25 2007, 06:15 PM, said:

I find playing online has a negative effect on my game... I tend to pay a lot less attention and thus not improve as much as I could.

OTOH hand how often do you play in f2f and have time to improve from only f2f playing? I think for the vast majority of us nonexperts, we have much more time for online than f2f counting drive times but more distractions. B)

Yeah, I play f2f very rarely (even more rarely now that work has taking like 12 hours of my day), but when I play f2f, I focus a lot more, because it feels like there's a lot more at stake. You don't want to look stupid, you don't want to let partner down, you paid money... :)

I try to pay attention online, but when you realize you can't draw any inferences from your opp's (or even your pard's) carding/bidding, it gets a bit frustrating.
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Posted 2007-April-26, 02:15

Pong is great, and much more fun than all these fancy modern 4D-games! (Does my age show???)
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Posted 2007-April-26, 14:32

There is no such thing as "too old". David Treadwell, who recently had his 94th birthday, won the Flight A knockout at the recent Wilmington [Delaware] Regional, playing on a team that also included 17-year old high school student Ethan Kotkin.

As for live club games versus online, I find that while it is easier to concentrate at a brick-and-mortar club, the quality of partners and competition I can find online is much better. It also helps those difficult sessions at tournaments. I have played two regionals and the American spring nationals this year, and have outdone my previous results in similar tournaments by a large margin. I attribute this to playing many tough games online.
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Posted 2007-May-20, 23:37

Sniff. jillybean, I thought I was your favorite partner... :)
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Posted 2007-May-21, 00:57

goobers, on Apr 25 2007, 06:15 PM, said:

I find playing online has a negative effect on my game... I tend to pay a lot less attention and thus not improve as much as I could.

I find it interesting that you say this because I think it has had such a positive effect on my game. Studying hand records is much nicer on BBO, and when playing live bridge I rarely get the opportunity to play against players as good as I play against on BBO. Now if only cherdano would learn how to bid.. life would be perfect.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Hannie, on May 21 2007, 01:57 AM, said:

Now if only cherdano would learn how to bid.. life would be perfect.

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Posted 2007-May-21, 00:58

Jlall, on May 21 2007, 12:58 AM, said:

Hannie, on May 21 2007, 01:57 AM, said:

Now if only cherdano would learn how to bid.. life would be perfect.

gl.

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Posted 2007-May-21, 00:59

57 58 58... you guys are fast!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-21, 02:53

Hannie, on May 21 2007, 08:57 AM, said:

goobers, on Apr 25 2007, 06:15 PM, said:

I find playing online has a negative effect on my game... I tend to pay a lot less attention and thus not improve as much as I could.

I find it interesting that you say this because I think it has had such a positive effect on my game. Studying hand records is much nicer on BBO, and when playing live bridge I rarely get the opportunity to play against players as good as I play against on BBO. Now if only cherdano would learn how to bid.. life would be perfect.

In principle, BBO is the ideal place to practice for the reasons Han mention. But I, too, find myself paying less attention online than IRL. Especially when playing with some pick-up that I'll never see again.
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