[cnszsun]

Scoring: IMP

(3D)-ps-(ps)-dbl
(ps)-?

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Will you bid 4♣ or 5♣?

[whereagles]

4♣, followed by 5♣ if pard takes it out into a major.

[Apollo81]

5♣

[inquiry]

At imps, I am not going to languish in 4♣ with this hand. I will bid 5♣ and hope for the best. EXCEPTION playing with an aggressive junior, I will bid only 4♣ because they will never pass when I bid 4 or 5 ♣... so with them, bidding 4♣ is a transfer to 5♣ and bidding 5♣ is a transfer to 6♣.

[Free]

5♣

[skjaeran]

5♣ at IMP's. Hope it has some play.

[FrancesHinden]

5C. Closer to bidding 6C than 4C. (Just give partner Axxxx AJxx x Axx and think where you want to play)

[Winstonm]

This pass-out seat balancing double does not guarantee as much hand as an immediate double - I would expect a balance on AQJx, KJ9x, x, QJx or something similar at the low end.

LTC tells me partner needs a 5-loser hand to produce 11 tricks, but I cannot find a way to invite with this hand.

Only because I am vulnerable at imps I bite the bullet and bid 5C. (BTW, would cue and pull over 4S be weaker or would it simply show a 4/6, heart/club hand? After cue, would 4S over 4H show a 4/6 spade/club hand?)

[FrancesHinden]

Winstonm, on Apr 15 2007, 04:53 PM, said:

(BTW, would cue and pull over 4S be weaker or would it simply show a 4/6, heart/club hand? After cue, would 4S over 4H show a 4/6 spade/club hand?)

For me, cue and pull simply shows a 2-suiter. Doesn't have to be 4/6, could be 5-5.

[P_Marlowe]

4C.

Partner may have streched, which means
I may well hear X, if I go to high.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

4♣ for 3 reasons

- It is so important to me that my partners know they can double in these spots with the right shape in case I want to pass, so I go out of my way not to hang them.
- Partner will also often raise this when we have game.
- I am light enough that partner could well have a hand where he was going to bid again so I don't want to get in his way.

[pbleighton]

5C. When in doubt bid game.

Peter

[pclayton]

4 only ♣'s. This hand has a few red flags:

1. xxx in RHO's suit, and a lack of a raise by LHO.

2. All those missing spades. I'd bet pard has 5.

Aside from 5♣ being an overbid by about a King, it tends to create a problem for pard.

[mike777]

cnszsun, on Apr 15 2007, 09:55 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(3D)-ps-(ps)-dbl
(ps)-?

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Will you bid 4♣ or 5♣?

5C

Good problem. How light do you want partner to protect at the 3 level?

AKxx..AKxx...x.....xxxx gives you some play for game.
or
Axxx...AKxx...x.....xxxx?

For sake of discussion do we want her to protect with 9 hcp at the two and more at the 3 level?

[000002]

i study this quetion half month about 2years ago,and conclude the conclusion 5winner tricks is the basic frame of referrence in T/O-DBL's hand.
then ,assume decider has n winner tricks ,(n-1) is bidding level to decide.

in this case,we hold 6♣ winner and ♥ q,(6-1)=5 is synoptical eduction.


regards 000002

[cherdano]

mike777, on Apr 15 2007, 03:33 PM, said:

For sake of discussion do we want her to protect with 9 hcp at the two and more at the 3 level?

Easy question. No I don't want partner to protect me with a 9 count over a weak two.

[the hog]

5C. I know this is an overbid as pd is doubling in the pass out seat, but for me 4C and pulling 4M to 5C would be a slam try. Also it is Imps.

[cherdano]

The_Hog, on Apr 15 2007, 06:41 PM, said:

5C. I know this is an overbid as pd is doubling in the pass out seat, but for me 4C and pulling 4M to 5C would be a slam try. Also it is Imps.

Are you playing 4♣ as forcing?

[mike777]

cherdano, on Apr 15 2007, 07:22 PM, said:

mike777, on Apr 15 2007, 03:33 PM, said:

For sake of discussion do we want her to protect with 9 hcp at the two and more at the 3 level?

Easy question. No I don't want partner to protect me with a 9 count over a weak two.

interesting, I would not think a 9 hcp hand in balance seat over a weak two with shortness would be an easy pass/decision.

Perhaps it should be, but I think that is just one more example hand of a tough decision for nonexperts.

[the hog]

cherdano, on Apr 16 2007, 07:46 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Apr 15 2007, 06:41 PM, said:

5C. I know this is an overbid as pd is doubling in the pass out seat, but for me 4C and pulling 4M to 5C would be a slam try. Also it is Imps.

Are you playing 4♣ as forcing?

Whoah, thanks. I have misread this a bit. Yes, we play 4m focring over 1 and 2 level openings and a X. This is a 3 level opening, so no, 4m is not forcing. Disregard my earlier comment about a slam try. Its too early in the morning for me here. Anyway, I would still bid 5 as it is imps.